If the story presented in this Wall Street Journal article is true, what happened at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, could have been prevented or greatly mitigated:
Local residents voiced anger Thursday about the time it took to end the mass shooting at an elementary school here, as police laid out a fresh timeline that showed the gunman entered the building unobstructed after lingering outside for 12 minutes firing shots.
12 minutes can be a lifetime. But it gets worse.
Victor Escalon, a regional director for the Texas Department of Public Safety, gave a new timeline of how the now-deceased gunman, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, walked into Robb Elementary School, barricaded himself in a classroom and killed 19 children and two teachers.
Mr. Escalon said he couldn’t say why no one stopped Ramos from entering the school during that time Tuesday. Most of the shots Ramos fired came during the first several minutes after he entered the school, Mr. Escalon said.
And worse still:
Ramos shot his grandmother Tuesday morning and drove her truck to Robb Elementary School, crashing the vehicle into a nearby ditch at 11:28 a.m., according to the timeline laid out by Mr. Escalon. He then began shooting at people at a funeral home across the street, prompting a 911 call reporting a gunman at the school at 11:30. Ramos climbed a chain-link fence about 8 feet high onto school grounds and began firing before walking inside, unimpeded, at 11:40. The first police arrived on the scene at 11:44 and exchanged gunfire with Ramos, who locked himself in a fourth-grade classroom. There, he killed the students and teachers.
A Border Patrol tactical team went into the school an hour later, around 12:40 p.m., and was able to get into the classroom and kill Ramos, Mr. Escalon said.
Consider the implication of this timeline — Ramos essentially announced himself and his intentions from the moment he arrived, but no one stopped him for over an hour. And it gets worse:
Ms. Gomez, a farm supervisor, was also waiting outside for her children. She said she was one of numerous parents who began encouraging—first politely, and then with more urgency—police and other law enforcement to enter the school sooner. After a few minutes, she said, U.S. Marshals put her in handcuffs, telling her she was being arrested for intervening in an active investigation.
The Marshals deny this happened, but there’s more.
Videos circulated on social media Wednesday and Thursday of frantic family members trying to get access to Robb Elementary as the attack was unfolding, some of them yelling at police who blocked them from entering.
“Shoot him or something!” a woman’s voice can be heard yelling on a video, before a man is heard saying about the officers, “They’re all just [expletive] parked outside, dude. They need to go in there.”
We worry, quite rightly, about the fog of war in these instances. Much of the initial reporting is wrong. I am hoping the story told here is wrong; if it is accurate, there will be hell to pay. And quite rightly so.
I think the WSJ article goes on to say that one father, trying to get to his kid on the bus that was taking kids away from the school, was maced and hog-tied by the police.
The local cops may have been told to standby and do crowd control until a SWAT team showed up, or they may have decided to do this themselves.
They don’t know how this works.
If anything close to what Mr. D writes is true, the next time parents hear about an active shooter at their school, they are going to show up with their own guns.
Americans aren’t Canadians.
If anything close to what Mr. D writes is true, the next time parents hear about an active shooter at their school, they are going to show up with their own guns.
No they won’t. And they shouldn’t.
Street cops are not real smart to begin with. Further, they’re not trained for tactical combat situations. If you show up to something like this, they’ll shoot you 10/10.
Also, I’d bet my next paycheck many (most?) of those parents are border jumpers. Unless they moonlight for the cartels, they don’t have weapons, or they shouldn’t.
This is just one more reason not to send your kids to public school.
It gets even better! I posted this on a different thread but this is all developing so here is a repost:
We need more laws! File this under “guns purchased legally”.
‘This wasn’t hearsay. I got this late last night: ‘The shooter was arrested years ago, four years ago, for having this plan for basically saying, for saying, you know, when I’m a senior in 2022, I am going to shoot up a school.’
More news trickling out, still unconfirmed, about the brave PIGS on the scene.
Texas cop says officers didn’t rush to find gunman because ‘they could have been shot’ then claims they DELIBERATELY locked inside classroom to save other students: Experts slam ‘disgusting’ decision that doctors say sealed the fate of injured kids
Will there be reckoning? FUCK NO! Police Union will step in to make sure these BASTARD PIGS not only remain employed but get a raise for bravery!
News from Ukraine gets worse, patriots. Maybe we had better wait before delivering pallets of cash over there. Maybe use it to install self-locking doors in public schools, I dunno.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-gains-donbas-encircling-luhansk-severodonetsk-lysyschansk-rcna30615
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It is 1.3 miles from Uvalde Police Department to Robb Elementary. Two turns. And 1.7 from Uvalde County Sheriff. Straight shot pretty much. And this is not counting cops on the beat. 4 minutes? Oh wait, collecting taxes by giving out speeding and parking tickets is infinitely more important to this THESE particular pigs!
I don’t think it is a matter of parents thinking rationally, Blade.
The cops should be smart enough to know that parents are going to show up, and if the cops appear to sitting around doing nothing while someone is possibly killing their children, parents will act.
I am waiting for a better timeline, but it appears that some parents did disobey the cops and enter the school and retrieve their children while the shooter was still alive.
They will have a full scale riot on their hands if this happens again.
I can fully understand the bureaucratic mentality that says “studies and simulations have shown that the loss of life will be less of the police cordon off the area and wait for a tactical team,” but in this case the bureaucratic mentality runs straight into human nature.
This is what the “defund the police” crowd don’t understand.
If we don’t shower police departments with obscene amounts of money, who will be there to stand around a parking lot while a shooter is inside of an elementary school shooting and killing children with lawfully purchased firearms….
^^The adults are talking, son.
with lawfully purchased firearms….
This is what 80 IQ, zipperhead, garbage people don’t understand.
ATF form 7743 asks: “Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been
committed to a mental institution?”
This kid’s answer would be “yes”, which would have stopped the sale. He lied, so the transfer was illegal and the kid immediately became a felon.
It also asks this:
” Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?”
Answering ‘yes’ stops the sale. Pedo Joe’s porno star / crackhead son lied when he bought a pistol so the transfer was illegal and the crackhead immediately became a felon.
See, we already have laws and the system in place; it’s just that garbage people in charge won’t enforce them. It’s still not too late to bring porno star / crackhead Biden to justice. I wonder if anyone will ask Pedo Joe to enforce the law…for the children.
silly BN… laws are there only to punish the law-abiding, dontcha know?
The kids in Richfield have figured out how to extend their weekend by a day & bully a fellow student by swatting them at the same time.
Cops and “school officials” will always fail to protect students because they are reactionary.
https://twitter.com/CrimeWatchMpls/status/1530208111029624832?s=20&t=xr6w6EPB0H5wFRI26OwkAA
I reside in a rural area. We have volunteer firefighters who are trained to fight fires and address other emergencies. Why can’t we have trained volunteers for security and protection at our schools? The NRA Convention starts today in Houston. Seems it is as good a place as any to have a discussion on this.
The US has 87,498 elementary schools. If the answer is “armed guards,” each needs enough trained and armed to face a gunman in body armor. Say, four ? That’s 349,992, more than the army that occupied Iraq. That’s not for or against the idea; just what it is.
Masks were tyranny but elementary schools locked down like max security prison will be our salvation?
^ You and your ilk won’t lock up criminals nor institutionalize the criminally insane; now you refuse to protect children against the spawn of your decisions due to cost – that after sending $40B to Ukraine.
The story wasn’t wrong at Parkland, where Sheriff Israel had his deputies mill about like a flock of chickens while the killer blazed away.
I’ll support good cops – but if true, they need to go through that department like a lawn mower through a catnip patch.
Related tho’ somewhat off topic. Has anyone explained how someone flipping hamburgers at Wendys managed to acquire somewhere around $5000 worth of arms? This seems like it might be important.
… especially since the shooter was known to law enforcement.
Sigh, yet another ‘Known Wolf’. Also read that he walked right into the school because the doors weren’t locked.
Jdm — I mean, if you really want to dig the grave for both your credibility and your sense of humanity, I’ll gladly give you the shovel.
jdm,
I posted the same thing. Something is rotten in Uvalde.
Also, word is coming out that allegedly, a teacher propped a door open, that should have been closed and locked. It hasn’t been determined yet whether or not that door was the entry point for the shooter.
^ You and your ilk are in no position to judge either my credibility nor my sense of humanity. Or anyone else’s for that matter.
I mean, if you really want to dig the grave for both your credibility and your sense of humanity, I’ll gladly give you the shovel.
Handing out shovels while simultaneously stepping on rakes — that’s actually a pretty good trick.
Lol. Well stated, Mr D.
The schools get millions of dollars every year and it’s never enough. Well, I say that for every million they get, they have to spend one third of it on security, either installing man trap entrances or separate security officers, as well as active shooter training for the teachers and staff. If they don’t do it, they lose that money next year.
Once again, to every gun grabber out there, show us how much you want to serve your constituents, give up your armed guards, then talk about grabbing guns.
^ My preference is to lock up criminals and institutionalize the criminally insane. I think it will be cheaper than up-armoring schools, but I’m fine with both approaches in certain places.
^^ Wut — teachers, who cannot be trusted to refrain from grooming our children to lives of sexual debauchery and the dislike of America and white people, should be better armed?
Do I have that correct??
Tearful Uvalde Residents Thank Police For Protecting Parking Lot From Gunman
https://www.theonion.com/tearful-uvalde-residents-thank-police-for-protecting-pa-1848982023
Do I have that correct??
Thousands of bad-faith posts here answer that question conclusively.
^ Being stupidly disingenuous is rarely a good debate tactic but perhaps it works among the left.
Second time he’s posted that same asshat comment, in two days.
rAT is that creepy kid from the run down house down the hill that always reeks of meth, that you talk into licking the cattle fence, and then, while your laughing, he does it again because any attention is better than no attention.
It’s low IQ and / or mentally deficient behavior.
If a gunman in a school is too difficult and dangerous for a typical local police force to handle, the right response is not to condemn local police forces as cowardly. The right response is to discredit the “good guy with a gun” fantasy.
Daniel Defense DDM4 costs $1,800.
Ammo is $0.60/round and the kid had lots of rounds and spare mags.
Wish I could afford to be a serial killer.
Maybe I need a government sponsor?
♪♪Heard you’re real confused, sorry for that; hope you get ya some help real soon/
But that don’t give you the right to read porn to our kids dressed like a god damned cartoon/
Our kids are in trouble, no one can deny; it’s the Devil’s circus out there/
Well you’ve had your fun, but now we’re all done; y’all had better take care/
There’s a reckoning coming…There’s a reckoning coming, real soon/
We’ve heard what you say; we’ve seen what you do/
Well, our world don’t work that way/
You say gone now, run amok; don’t nobody give a fuck/
Uh uh, son stop right there; we know right from wrong/
So listen real close man, there’s an message for you too, ma’am within the words to this song/
There’s a reckoning coming…There’s a reckoning coming, real soon/ ♪♪
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We can’t separate the conversation about guns from the business of guns.
^You can’t separate your head from your asshole
I wonder how the DHS “Disinformation Governance Board” would have scored the initial police statements about the Uvalde school shooting.
Just What Happened in Uvalde?
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/just-what-happened-in-uvalde/
We can’t separate the conversation about guns from the business of guns
I’d like to add in financing the purchase of guns and ammo by serial killers too, please.
Lick the fence again, rAT. We’re laughing ’cause we’re your friends!
🤣😂
And gangbangers, they buy lots of ammo, too. As do cops looking to kill po ba chile for no reason. And let’s not forget media outlets and Democrat politicians, they in ton of money after every shooting.
Business of firearms. Indeed.
Among the few non-military gun carriers (or the couch commando version) who are not cosplaying are the angry men quietly plotting harm to innocents.
Option 1: Defend American schoolchildren by deploying thousands of hunter-killer kamikaze super-cops
Option 2: Restrict firearms.
The rest of the civilized world chooses 2. It’s not really such a baffling problem.
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How about:
Option 1: go door-to-door confiscating firearms and ammunition, beginning in Black neighborhoods because that’s where the most shot-spotter sounds are recorded, killing anyone who resists and then cordoning off cleared areas by posting armed sentries to search every person and every vehicle coming into the ever-expanding perimeter to keep guns out.
Option 2: kill all the children now in a massive sweep of very-very-late-term-abortions to avoid the chance they might be shot at school.
Option 3: provide the same level of security in schools as urban jewelry stores, pawn shops, gun stores, banks, liquor stores, and legislatures while we work on reversing decades of societal rot.
Admit it rAT. You like the shock.
How hard is it to get the truth when police are involved?
DailyMail.com can confirm that an incident in Uvalde where two ‘Columbine-infatuated’ teenage boys were arrested for threatening to shoot up a school but because they were juveniles, their identities were not confirmed at the time and they remain secret.
Shortly after Gonzales’s appearance, FOX reporter Bill Melugin tweeted that Uvalde police denied Ramos was one of the kids involved.
And in a tweet soon after, Gonzales admitted: ‘It is now unclear if the shooter was one of the two kids detained.’
He went on: ‘If this was not the shooter, we need to find out who these kids are, where they are now, and if they were classmates of the shooter. There is a clear need for mental health resources in our community.’
teachers, who cannot be trusted to refrain from grooming our children to lives of sexual debauchery and the dislike of America and white people, should be better armed?
I think one can be reasonably certain that the group of teachers who are grooming our children to lives of sexual debauchery are mutually exclusive from the group of teachers who would agree to carry while in the school. In fact, I’d go so far as to say those teachers who groom or are in full support of the grooming curricula should expressly be forbidden to carry. But alas, public school doesn’t allow for two sets of rules, unless it is light skinned students vs darker skinned students.
Did you guys knows that firearms are not restricted?
Emery thinks so.
That is why these gun grabbers are so difficult to take seriously. They have no idea what they are talking about.
Joe Doakes, the last time I checked, about 1 in 3 white American homes had at least one legal gun. Only about 1 in 10 black American homes had at least one gun.
But per capita, blacks are about 3x as likely to commit a gun crime as a white American.
If you are a liberal, the way you react to this news is to stick your fingers in your ears and say LALALALALALA.
I think it’s fair to say a whole lot of people are about to learn some very unpleasant truths about how thoroughly the system protects cops from almost any accountability.
Who would that be, Emery?
The people who thought that Chauvin was not a murderer?
You really have nothing interesting to say, it’s all shopworn cliche’s.
Bill C. Consider the depth of degeneracy a guy who makes light of pedophile groomers.
Vermin like rAT and his ilk are human garbage. Let them laugh.
A reckoning is coming. Coming soon.