86 thoughts on “Reward”

  1. That’s a pretty big reward to put out, unless you’re very confident in what you have.

    Fortunately for Lindell, there are a few more computer forensics people out there that also have pretty definitive proof of cyber tampering with Dominion systems. Two of them have allegedly exposed that the machines they looked at, were equipped with a mobile phone chip that would allow the machines to connect to the internet.

    By the way, based on what I’ve heard from two of my former colleagues in IT security, Lindell’s experts, are recognized experts in data security and data forensics.

  2. Um…………….

    The obvious and more important question is, why isn’t he offering a reward to anyone who can prove his data is valid?

  3. I’ll go beyond that, Greg. What’s the point? The federal judiciary has already indicated, strongly, that it is not interested in changing the results of the last election. It seems to me that the more important consideration is how to prevent a repeat of 2020 again. And what is being done in this regard?

    Otherwise, this is all just election integrity theater.

  4. Like I have said here before, the best way to address the Democrats strategy of voter fraud is 80,000 votes from Waseca.

  5. Well, Greg and jdm, someone, read: 95% of the Democrat party, doesn’t want him to release his findings. He has indicated that the release will take place between August 10 – 12. Funny! The FCC has announced a “lengthy” test of the EBS on August 11. The Democrats are masters at shiny objects and distractions from things they don’t want revealed. Look for renewed riots around August 13.

  6. Exactly what does Lindell believe that his “cyber data” will accomplish?

  7. Another blog masterpiece of intellectual thought from “Lawyer” Joe and Mitch.  Nice Lindell and Gateway Pundit combo there as well.

  8. So some random guy has collected evidence the election was stolen.
    So he’s willing to put up his own money to back up his claim.
    So nobody can disprove his evidence.
    So what?

    “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

  9. Mike Lindell has the notion of evidence ass-backwards. You don’t accuse someone of something and then say, “prove me wrong.”

    Logic dictates that you prove the allegations are true, otherwise it is like the “when did you stop beating your wife” thing and then demanding that you prove you never did.

    Look folks, we have already been burned by this before. Remember when Sydney Powell threw around accusations about Dominion Voting Systems?

    They sued her for $1 Billion. Yeah, they sued a lawyer.

    Her defense?

    She literally claimed that no reasonable person would believe that sh*t.

    Do I believe that voting machines were tampered with?

    Do I believe that bears sh*t in the woods?

    Or course to both… In every election, virtually everything happens somewhere – but was it significant enough to make a difference?

    Probably not….

    Now, if you are looking for a conspiracy done in plain sight that did make a difference, look at the election activities (including Minnesota) of Marc Elias from the law firm Perkins Coie, he is the guy who gave us Al Franken and three years of Russia, Russia, Russia.

    The guy is literally the Darth Vader of the left.

    Who needs stealth when you have Marc.

  10. Prosecutor: Here’s the Defendant’s gun found by the victim. The Defendant shot the victim. Prove he didn’t.

    Defense: The lands and grooves of the rifling don’t match the bullet. He didn’t.

    Look – I’m not saying Lindell is correct, I’m saying Lindell is handing out easy money. Some commenters here are Software Engineers – go pick it up. You don’t have to keep his filthy lucre – you can donate it to Black Lives Matter or to AOC’s relatives in PR or some other worthy charity. But take the money, since it’s so obvious he’s wrong and you can easily prove it.

    Also, if you don’t like the source material I cited, use your Google-fu to find the same claim reported on MSN and Yahoo and others. Impugning the source doesn’t impugn the story. That’s a logical error which has been known so long they actually have a name for it.

  11. Read the article. Lindell is not going to release his data, and he will only pay out if you can prove it is not real data:
    $5,000,000 will be offered to any attendee who can prove that this cyber data is not valid data from the 2020 election.The symposium is not open to the public.Invitees include current Politicians, Cyber Experts, and the Media.
    Notably, Lindell does not name exactly which politicians, media entities, or cyber experts have been invited.

    You may also notice the second catch — the shifted goalpost. On this flier, Lindell isn’t offering the reward for, as implied, proving that the data doesn’t show election fraud, but for proving that whatever data he produces “is not valid data from the 2020 election” — which isn’t the same thing at all.
    https://hillreporter.com/mike-lindell-offers-5-million-to-any-cyber-guy-who-proves-his-voter-fraud-data-invalid-heres-the-catch-107446

  12. He’s not handing out easy money. Guy up there put it right already, its “election integrity theater”. At best.

    If it’s easy money there will be a payout. And there won’t be.

  13. I went to the Hill Reporter and read the article. I guess that settles it. The validity of the data doesn’t matter. Whether it shows election fraud doesn’t matter. What matters is the conference is in South Dakota and invitation only. Obviously, anybody who could prove the data was falsified, wouldn’t be invited to the conference and wouldn’t go to South Dakota to collect.

    My bad.

    The offer does raise the question: if the data is not false data but actually true data collected from the election; and if the data shows the election was stolen; would anybody care? Or are we willing to let it go and move on?

    In other words, if they stole it and got away with it, “What difference at this point does it make?”

  14. If Democrats came right out and said, “Lindell is right, we stole that election. And we’re going to steal the next one, and every one after that, forever. There will never be another free election in America again and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

    Would we care?

    Not Progressives and RINOs and Never-Trumpers – they wouldn’t care. But the rest of us, would we care?

    Or have we given up?

    “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

  15. We don’t even know what this “election data” consists of, or what it is supposed to prove.
    The biggest indication that there was funny business in the 2020 election is the unwillingness of the people who won the election to discuss it.
    Who you gonna believe? Apple/FB/Twitter or Mike Lindell?

  17. Or are we willing to let it go and move on?

    Who’s this “we”? What would you like “us” to do? The judiciary, the MSM, at least half the country would, in fact, like “us” to move on. More than merely would like, the commies are willing to send the message (pour encourager les autres) of prison (isolation) without charges and even death to those who simply showed up to protest. And now they’re working a new and cool and modern way of affixing gold stars on those who by proxy suspect and disagree with the electoral results.

    And meanwhile, Republicans with a few exceptions are focused like a laser on anything but being an opposition party. And certainly not, at least at a national level, taking the electoral integrity fight to the commies even when polling indicates they have the majority of the population on their side.

  18. If you were to ask Tim Cook, Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, and Mike Lindell “How many sexes are there” I would go with the person who said “two.”
    How about you, JK?

  19. What you think is the reality of the situation, is not…

    Tim Cook’s participation in big tech censorship has been merely to set a barrier to entry for apps in his app store re Gab, etc.

    As a practical matter, Facebook is a a right wing medium whether Zuckerber and his colleagues envisioned that or not.  The people that get the best use out of it are righties preaching to Uncle and Auntie Maga.

    Twitter is a triviality.

  20. Since we’re no longer disputing the validity of Lindell’s data or that it proves the election was stolen (because what difference, at this point, does it make?), let’s talk about something else:

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/politics/donald-trump-facebook/index.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/05/instagram-and-facebook-ban-far-right-extremists/588607/

    even ordinary authors such as . . .

    https://monsterhunternation.com/2021/07/16/fun-with-the-oversight-board-or-better-sign-up-for-the-newsletter-before-i-get-perma-banned/

    https://conservativefiringline.com/facebook-bans-conservative-writer-using-three-laughing-emojis/

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2018/01/11/facebook-bans-bestselling-author-ad-scandalous-presidency-barack-obama-n55537

  21. JK, do you seriously believe that Mike Lindell has more political sway in the US than Cook, Zuckerberg, and Dorsey?

  23. Weird that Republicans would want to be seated in Congress at all, given the level of fraud and whatnot in the November election.

    If you’re going to steal the presidency, wouldn’t it make sense to also steal enough seats to get 60 Democratic senators?

  24. In your 9:42 it certainly looked as though you were evaluating “sway,” JK.
    I’ll state my point clearly: if a person (or a group) cannot declare that there are, in fact, two sexes, why should I believe them when they say “Biden won in a free and fair election”?

  25. FYI, I do not have an FB or twitter account, or any other social media accounts.

  26. Re 10:20, 2 sexes vs Biden victory

    I think that’s a fair expression of a particular problem.  But…

    Whether or not Biden won is a fact that exists independently of and is buttressed by evidence independently of some of the fringier parties who say he won.  A discerning news consumer doesn’t have to rely on someone who is also an ally of the transsexual movement to understand that Biden won.

  27. I see crap is back. And it looks like he neglected to check in on the earlier thread. So…

    I’m a never Trumper. I voted Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain, Romney.

    OK, I’ll bite. Why are you a never Trumper? What did he do, while in office, that makes him so much worse than any of the establishment characters you voted for? Name these misdeads that make you so afflicted with TDS. It should be easy, right? Yo can come up with a list a mile long from the top of your head, right? Go…

  28. ^ I didn’t think he was an impressive enough and credible enough man to be the Republican nominee for President. He’s low character, he’s crooked, not a business success, not bright. I expected the worst. Some things went OK, and I’m perfectly happy about that.

    Those were my standards, alright. He really is low character, crooked, not a business success, and not bright. That’s reality. If you think this guy has to be POTUS cuz the existential struggle between conservative and liberalism, that’s a different argument.

  29. Crap, let me paraphrase, WHAT DID HE DO to make make him WORSE than the establishment RINOs you support? I can accept your answer that this strictly has to do with personality and not what Trump accomplished while in office. But be careful, you are suggesting you would rather vote for pretty boy Romney and squish McCain based on their looks and not what they have done, or can do for the country. That is not very smart.

  30. Or, crap, and besides not being very smart, you obviously have a problem with your proboscis which you would like to separate from and and your bathwater is full of babies ready to be tossed.

  31. @JK: So much potential wasted by his ego. That’s what happens when your only real policy is “whatever gets the most applause.”

    I really had high hopes for Trump and appreciated things like tax cuts and
    deregulation, but he was unable to be the leader the country needed. He could have easily been President for everyone, but instead chose to be divisive his entire term in order to continually rally his base. What a
    shame. Had he simply conceded back in November, he would have stood
    a much better chance of influencing the country after he left office. Now he’s a joke to all but his core supporters.

    Re Lindell: If you don’t believe your vote matters and think the system is rigged, you’re less likely to vote. Republican election conspiracy theories, like so many conspiracy theories, disempower those who believe them. You can’t act to change the world if you don’t understand how it works.

  32. JPA, I gave you a perfectly good answer on why I’ve voted the way I have.  My answer does not have to adhere to your framing.

    You didn’t vote for McCain and Romney back when?

  34. To paraphrase the guys on Powerline, I don’t know if the Democrats stole the election or not, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t try.

  35. Crap, that you chose to not vote for Trump in deference to a has-been hag and a senile crime syndicate boss on the Chinese payroll speaks volumes about how much you value optics over the well-being of the country and freedom. So save us all the sanctimony and preachiness. You are no different than trollbot sock puppets infesting this thread who abhor freedoms and despise this country.

  36. When you ask who won the 2020 presidential election, you really need to explain what you mean by “won,” More votes for Biden than Trump were tallied, I’m pretty certain of that. But I seem to remember that in the aftermath of the 2000 election, Democrats insisted that the standard should be that votes should be counted if the voter intended to vote for Gore (aka the “butterfly ballot” issue).
    As to how many legal votes were cast for Biden vs Trump, that’s a number I don’t know, and no one else does, either.

  37. While there is a moral underpinning to what I believe, I don’t think it’s true that I generally hector you MAGA nihilists with sanctimony derived from a moral observation.  My thing is pedantically arguing over facts and what reality that grown men are supposed to take from those facts.

    Correct, me not voting for Trump does speak volumes about what I think of the existential threat posed by Hillary > Biden.  It’s as I alluded, I DON’T think a Democrat winning the POTUS every other term or so is an existential threat.  So I took a pass on the crook goombah from Queens.

  38. Nice setup, jpa. That the response is more preachy sanctimony makes it just that much more amusing.

  39. Correct, jdm. To NOT think that current WH actions such as policies being inacted via fiat, inflation, subjugation to foreign power, abuse of office for personal gain, political persecution of opposition, censorship of alternate viewpoints, tyranny over individual freedoms are NOT an existential threat, speaks volumes about crap. Whatever WH usurper is doing is SO MUCH better than that crook goombah from Queens. Natch, crap. At least we know that you stand for oppression, censorship, inflation, subjugation, lawlessness, depravity, servitude and amorality – by your own admission since you think Shrillary/Biden are better then Trump, even after Trump’s first term. Got it…

  40. I did not vote for Trump in 2016, for the same reasons JK lists.
    I was afraid that he would pull a “Ventura,” and work with Chuck and Nacy to drive federal policy & law making.
    I was wrong.
    I voted Trump in 2020.

  42. Dude, there’s hardly any emotion in that at all. And further, an evaluation of Trump as low character, crooked, not a business success, and not bright is not emotional. Its reality.

  43. JK, you describe Trump supporters as “MAGA nihilists.”
    That emotion is so private I do not understand it. People who believe in MAGA are by definition not nihilists, they value America becoming great again.

    In the same comment you refer to Trump as a “crook goombah from Queens.”
    If I used similar language to denounce Biden supporters and Biden I think that you would find the words emotionally laden.
    The mark of the #Nevertrumper is to predominantly use emotion laden words when describing Trump because, I suppose, non-emotional words do not express what they are trying to express, because it is emotion. I think that emotion is revulsion and disgust, which are incredibly powerful emotions. More powerful than anger, certainly, because anger can eventually dissipate. Not revulsion and disgust.
    The “goombah” expression is not supported by the agreed upon facts you say that you cherish. “Queens” is a triviality. Biden is from Philly, or from Delaware, take your pic. When he was senator, he basically represented the interests of credit card companies and class-action trial lawyers. “Crook” has a lot of meanings, the most common is, I suppose, that a person makes a living dishonestly. Again, trivial with respect to politicians, including past US presidents.

  44. MO, exactly my MO. Only in my case in 2020 I could afford not to vote for Trump since I was already in TX and my vote would have been superfluous. In 2024 I was voting for him. In other years, I had to close my nose and vote for stinkers because alternative was worse – much worse as it turns out.

    And crap, other than low character, can you please point out to evidence of crookedness (ie illegality), not a business success (last time I checked Trump as doing quite well, better than most people in fact and if he did not put his empire on hold and did not draw a salary while in office would be doing a lot better), and not bright (as compared to whom, you? as determined by whom, you?).

    Nope, no emotion at all. Just incurable TDS.

  45. The large amount of Republican leaning voters for Biden could be seen by the amount of successful down ballot Republican candidates. Trump was toxic, but there were many Republican candidates that were not.

  46. ^Point has been made in serious publications, dozens and dozens of times I’d say, that Trump’s investment return on the base that he got from his father has been quite a bit less than the S&P 500 return.  His father put together a remarkable real estate empire.  The point isn’t made often enough how Fred Trump built a company fortune that in size should have been the envy of any east coast industrialist.

    DJT is well documented to have been belly up in the early 90’s  A lot of his properties went debtor in possession.  Mid 90’s he went into gambling and pushed off a bunch of personal debt onto the public company he founded, then that went bankrupt.  In the 00’s he was headlining rah rah business seminars, and putting his name on the fraudulent real estate school.  He’s always been financed to the edge of illiquidity.

    He’s not and never was a great businessman.  If you think otherwise, you’re the one that is misinformed.  You want to do this disbelief thing and make me get links?  I’ll get links.

  48. I agree with your 4:37 comments about Trump’s history in business, JK. That is why I did not vote for him in 2016 (I voted for Constitution Party candidate Daryll Castle).
    But I never hated Trump. I was pleasantly surprised when he won because I think the DC establishment needs shaking up (it still does, it won’t get it with Biden).
    Trump, for all his faults, is a recognizable American type. So was Bill Clinton, and so were both Bushes.
    Hillary was not a recognizable American type, and I think that is what cost her the election. She had to define herself to the voters and she did a crappy job of it.

  49. I will note that as of yet the question of what policies were so bad that one could not vote for Trump in 2020 has not been answered.

  50. Trumpism has always been there, Trump has just done it more recently and arguably better than anyone else. It has its forebears not just in Palin, but in William Randolph Hearst, Nixon, Goldwater, even Reagan and Bush Jr. It isn’t a wild deviation from a respectable Republican or American norm, but a continuation of a long established method of using identity issues and flag waving to trick blue collar voters into support for a corporatist, deregulatory agenda. When this agenda threatens to make the same voters’ lives more precarious you simply deflect the blame and channel the resentment into yet more political gain. Recent years have provided the perfect climate for this method — a country still reeling from the effect of the financial crash, a growth in Chinese influence, demographic anxiety amongst whites and the inevitable reactionary backlash against a black man in the presidency. The idea that the Republicans do not serve an ‘elite’ is the most egregious, fascistic lie. They serve oligarchic, authoritarian plutocracy to their core.

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