If It Seems Logical, Karen Can’t Follow It

So what’ does Karen – the iconic (and unisex) cultural metaphor for the joyless, passive-aggressive scolds who pass their time hectoring others about their masks, their distancing, their attitudes about Covid in general – do with their time?

Several possibilities suggest themselves:

  • Go for walks. Alone. Wearing masks. Alternatively, they’ll walk their dogs. Alone. With masks on both parties.
  • Surf panic porn on the internet.
  • Gossip about “deniers” of…whatever they believe.

One thing “Karen” has not done since, most likely, April?

Read any current research on now Covid actually spreads (that isn’t vetted first by institutions that benefit from broadcasting panic porn).

CDC study buries the lede, notes that asymptomatic transmission is very rare, even among people with extended close personal contact:

The text of the analysis is even more consequential than the CDC’s reference makes it seem: “Estimated mean household secondary attack rate from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) was significantly higher than from asymptomatic or presymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%; P < .001), although there were few studies in the latter group. These findings are consistent with other household studies28,70 reporting asymptomatic index cases as having limited role in household transmission” (emphasis added).

The 0.7 percent figure includes not just people who never show symptoms of COVID-19, but people who haven’t yet shown symptoms—two groups that have been alleged to be major factors driving the spread of the virus. This is a major data point often underplayed or even challenged in much media coverage of the virus.

The key, if not central, rationale for non-pharmaceutical interventions such as masking, distancing, and staying at home is allegedly significant transmission from people who don’t show symptoms. If the contagiousness of people without symptoms is not what drives the spread of SARS-COV-2, then no COVID restriction on public life besides staying home when you are clearly sick could be justified, considering the obvious negative consequences of these restrictions.

The 0.7 percent figure might even be a modest estimate of overall asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission because the studies were among household contacts only—people who have close and extended contact with one another daily.

It doesn’t seem especially counterintuitive – spreading a disease

  • whose primary mode of transmission is airborne water droplets full of the virus ,and
  • where airborne water droplets primary launching mechanism is the cough or sneeze, which is in fact a symptom

…might be correlated with people coughing.

Pass this along to any teachers – or at least teachers union reps – you might know .

46 thoughts on “If It Seems Logical, Karen Can’t Follow It

  1. Take common-sense precautions, isolate the sick, and protect at risk populations.
    As usual, I was right all along . . .

  2. These results should be obvious.
    Last year I lived in Hawaii. They had a pretty hard lock down, all schools were closed, and only big retailers were allowed to be open. Non-essential businesses were closed.
    People being people, they tended to congregate at the big retailers (Target, Walmart, Home Depot, and Safeway). These stores were crowded. For a while, they tried to limit occupancy, but then people crowded around the entrances.
    So you would think that we would have out breaks associated with people shopping at these places. They were the only places where people congregated (even the beach parks were closed).
    There were no such outbreaks — except for a minor cluster at Target but only among the employees, who tended to socialize after and during store hours.
    The other major outbreak was at a home for disabled veterans. They all lived in close quarters, all had multiple comorbidities, and they died in droves.
    Merely acting with common sense would have saved countless lives now lost to a year-long lockdown with no end in sight.

  3. I love those yard signs: We believe in science.

    So are you saying you read the studies?

    Wow! I am impressed.

    Or did you just read, hear or watch a story about some aspect of “science”?

    If so, why not change your yard sign to reflect the truth, We believe in an agenda driven media.

  4. There is a house a few blocks from me that has one of those virtue-signaling yard signs “All Are Welcome here.”
    If I lived in the house next door, I would be tempted to put a sign that said “Over here! You will be far more welcome here than that other place!”
    Seriously, tough, what a great plan . . . the intolerant mob is chasing down a rainbow person who dared to dye a shock of xir hair purple. The mob hoots & hollers, they wave their torches about. The rainbow person is fleeing in terror. Xe hears the baying of hounds. Whatever will xe do? How to escape the clutches of the howling mob? Then xe sees it, an “All are welcome here” sign posted on the lawn of a quaint two story colonial. With xer last breath, xe reaches the stoop, desperately raps on the door . . . and the door is opened by leather face from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre! It’s a trap!

  5. “All Are Welcome here.”

    I wonder if they would allow me in with my “GUT THE ARTS” t-shirt?

    Speaking of GUT THE ARTS, what a better way to strike at the heart of government funded white urban privilege?

  6. There was some value in the degenerates ordering Americans to wear diapers on their faces; it allowed the idiots among us to self-identify.

    There are not many reprobate leftists where I live, so for the most part, the diaper wearers are signaling their ignorance, not their politics. I’d be lying if I did not admit I was surprised, and a bit put off by how many really stupid people there are.

    One casualty I must report is the little cigar bar in town. I pay as much as $3 more for a nice cigar by buying it from him than via the internet, but I like to support small businesses whenever possible, and there is usually someone to play a game of chess with while we enjoy our smokes and an ale.

    So I was very saddened the day the owner informed me (while dangling a diaper in his hand for me), he had decided patrons must wear a diaper in his establishment, when not actively engaged in SMOKING A FUCKING CigAR. Well, what’s wrong with saving a couple bucks on every cigar I buy, especially when it has the side benefit of helping someone realize how stupid they are?

    That said, with that one exception I’m happy to report that none of the people I associate with ever wore a diaper on their faces. That gave me the nice feeling that I pick my friends wisely.

  7. New article from “Nature” magazine:

    Lockdowns didn’t help. (link over at the professors)

  8. Refusing a mask isn’t liberty, it’s nihilism. There are costs/benefits to re-opening the economy. But what’s the arguments against wearing *masks* in a pandemic? There is none. It’s a lethal form of “virtue signaling.” Hence the point about nihilism.

  9. I read the abstract & discussion portion of the paper, Kinlaw.
    I think the conclusion is better stated as that the researchers found that the usual population studies cited to justify lockdowns are flawed by the exception logical fallacy. They designed a research method meant to eliminate the exception fallacy, and when they did this, they could find no evidence that lockdowns worked.

  10. Kinlaw, check this out from….wait for it…Newsweek 9emphasis mine):

    “A study evaluating COVID-19 responses around the world found that mandatory lockdown orders early in the pandemic may not provide significantly more benefits to slowing the spread of the disease than other voluntary measures, such as social distancing or travel reduction.

    The peer reviewed study was published in the European Journal of Clinical Investigation on January 5, and analyzed coronavirus case growth in 10 countries in early 2020.

    The study compared cases in England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and the U.S. – all countries that implemented mandatory lockdown orders and business closures – to South Korea and Sweden, which instituted less severe, voluntary responses. It aimed to analyze the effect that less restrictive or more restrictive measures had on changing individual behavior and curbing the transmission of the virus.

    The researchers used a mathematical model to compare countries that did and did not enact more restrictive lockdown orders, and determined that there was “no clear, significant beneficial effect of [more restrictive measures] on case growth in any country.”

    “We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures,” the research said.

    When you lose a leftist rag like Newsweek; you’ve lost. Doesn’t matter though. No one will be held accountable. Nothing will change unless and until our government undergoes a revolutionary sea change.

  11. “GUT THE ARTS”
    Exactly! That whole Waiting For Guffman crowd needs to be cut off. The govt has no business underwriting(selectively) cultural expression. If the product(play, film, dance, music, etc) is good people will come, if it isn’t, then after your friends and family have seen it you close the show. As it is now “Arts Funding” is little more than long term unemployment benefits (a white version of “midnight basketball”) for disaffected urban white middle class progressives.

  12. Speaking of self-identifying imbeciles; Good Morning Potato Head! Make sure you put your maskie on before entering these comment threads!


  13. “But what’s the arguments against wearing *masks* in a pandemic? There is none.”
    Fauci & others have argued that wearing a mask leads to more frequent face-touching, which increases the likelihood of getting the virus in your breath holes.
    You are very poorly informed, on this topic and others, Emery.

    Your argument stinks, anyhow. It applies to any “liberty” enjoyed where you, personally, see no positive result.
    Abortion rights? Nihilism. Going out for a walk? Nihilism. Looking your superiors in the eye? Nihilism.

  14. It was Joe Doakes who inspired me to keep track of the Kung flu numbers because Reality is much less significant than the one posited by various Karens, not to forget the Emery Collective.

    As of March 6, about a year after the Panicdemic was kicked off so as to defeat Trump, MN has had 489116 cases of which 6546 died. So. 8.6% of the total population has been infected and of those that were, 1.34% died. The population mortality rate is 0.11%. I assume that these numbers are somewhat inflated for political and financial reasons.

    MO’s link the other day from The Mankato Free Press with 2.2 million infected and 70k dead would seem overwrought (as was remarked by MO).

  15. MO, don’t bother trying to explain anything logically to idiots; lit’s a better use of time to just expose their ignorance, and let them stew in it. Whenever the topic has come up with an idiot, my response has never failed to BTFO:

    “Point me to one, just one, peer reviewed, controlled scientific study that concludes that stupid diaper on your face stops the transmission of Covid, or any other Corona or Rhino virus, and I will put one on.”

  16. What are the arguments against wearing masks during a pandemic?

    Well, first, because they don’t work to protect the wearer from catching the bug. And second, if the wearer doesn’t already have the bug, he can’t spread the bug so the mask does not protect others from catching the bug; and if the wearer does have the bug, he should be quarantining 14 days until he’s no longer infectious, at which point he can’t spread the bug so again, the mask does not protect others from catching the bug.

    The only time a mask might possibly be helpful is during the 14-day window when the wearer is infectious and quarantined. But that’s no reason to force everybody else to wear two masks at all times, that’s a reason to enforce quarantine on those who need it, exactly as every other epidemic has been handled throughout history: quarantine the sick, liberate the rest.

  17. The only time a mask might possibly be helpful is during the 14-day window when the wearer is infectious and quarantined.

    If that were true, JD, don’t you think every rat fuck leftist rag would be publishing it in bold, capital letters?

    There is not 1 controlled study that concludes those face diapers, or the designer sequined ones, or the ones with your favorite sportsball team’s logo on it, do anything.

    Every study is filled with weasel words; “may” “might” “could”.

    Well, there’s just as much evidence an alien spaceship could be headed towards Earth right now, and they might be hostile….better head for the bunker.

  18. 👆Ask your doctor if Qdroxychloroquine® is right for you and take back your life.

    Supreme Court has declined to take up challenge from lawyers for Trump challenging 2020 election results in the battleground state of Wisconsin. — Where’s that legal Dream Team Tom?

  19. Potato head, allow me to step in for “tom” since there is no one here by that name; I’m sure he’d join in the laughs…


    “Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive better

    A surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.”

    It’s from CNN, so even a dimwit such as yourself can understand it.

    tia Potato head!


  20. Oh, and Potato head, check this out. Looks like Trump is going to get his day in court after all. Thanks to your spirit animal, Eric Swallowell…

    Evidently, Dim Eric suffered emotional trauma during the antifa raid on the Capital, so he’s suing. As Jonathon Turley says, Dim Eric is the gift that keeps giving. In fact, he may well be the guy that forces his ilk to roll out the fraud machine, yet again, to save the reprobate paRTY.


    Got anything else to say, Potato head?


  21. You are not “legally required to wear a medical grade mask” any where.
    What you have been ordered to do, by a tyrant issuing orders, is wear a “face covering” over the holes in your face providence designed to allow you to breathe.
    It is the very definition of an arbitrary and capricious order.

  22. PotAto HeAD? Are you there, potato head? Come in, PotATo HeAD!! Dim Eric needs you to get his back!


    Huh…he must be off 🎿 the birkie with his imaginary friends.


  23. I know, everybody is tired of hearing me rant about logical fallacies. It’s so pedantic. It’s so boring. But they keep coming up. E’s latest dig at President Trump is another example of the Appeal to Authority fallacy that completely dominates Leftist thinking. Consider:

    Suppose a poor, Black, single mother is trying to make a living selling homemaked pies to support her children. Suppose the White male Sheriff tells her she can’t sell pies without a license. Suppose the White male City Clerk refuses to give her a license because “we don’t want Black people living in our town so get out.” Suppose she sues for racial discrimination but the White male Judge dismisses her case for “laches – you waited too long to file the case” and the three White males on the Court of Appeals uphold the dismissal.

    Using Emery’s standard of legal analysis, everything is peachy. No harm was done. She has nothing to complain about, justice was served. We know this, because the court dismissed the case. If she’d had a valid case, the court certainly would have heard it and granted her the license. Because that’s what courts do – they redress wrongs, always, without every making a mistake and without any concern for political pressure whatsoever.

    Since the court refused to hear the case, that means she’s completely in the wrong and should move out of town. And she better not complain about it or she’ll get arrested for sedition, for attempting to overthrow the government with misinformation, and inciting rebellion against lawful authority.

    Can everyone see how stupid that analysis is?

    Why do Liberals keep using it?

  24. 👆You’re making the mistake of confusing Qdroxychloroquine® with Hydroxychloroquine. Nothing is more embematic to me of the Trump Presidency than the cult like Hydroxychloroquine obsession.

    Qdroxychloroquine® is the antidote for those who have swallowed the kool-aid, hook, line & sinker.

  25. No, Potato head. You’re making the mistake of confusing Hydroxychloroquine, which Trump supported using, and which Science(tm) has now verified he was correct about with something you stumbled across on the web. No one has, or is talking about Qdroxychloroquine but you and the voices in your head.

    Your inchoate grasp of the here and now is diminishing, Potato HeAD. That is to say, you’re an idiot.

  26. Apparently Emery, you missed it when your hero, Senator Vanilla Fluff on the outside, ruthless tyrant to her staff on the inside, Klobitcher, admitted that Hydroxichloroquine saved her husband’s life. In fact, a black Democrat State Rep for a Detroit district, even praised Trump for bringing it to her attention. Her and her husband were extremely ill from the ChiCom virus, so they asked their doctors to try it on them. Literally hours after receiving their doses, both of them improved dramatically and probably saved her husband’s life. She even went on Glenn Beck’s show ( Left wing sacrilege!!) to discuss it, while delivering a stunning rebuke to her side of the aisle and stressed that we needed to stop fighting with each other and for them to acknowledge that Trump has done some good things.

  27. Hoss, I wonder…did A-klo over use her salad fork to comb her husbands hair? It might have been the salad dressing that saved him.

  28. The article proves the point that everybody on this thread made at one tiome or another (minus the logically and morally-challenged trollbots of course) – that this is the first time in history when healthy were quarantined on such a gigantic scale.

    As a side note, went to the range yesterday, came to the office door and darn, it has a Masks Required sign (the EO that removes the requirement goes into effect this Wed). Drats, ploded back to the car, got the mask, put it on and opened the door… and took the mask off. I did not want to be the only person wearing one for no good reason. All’s good in the world. And funny thing is, when others walked in with masks and kept them on, I had no desire to yell at them to “take them off”. They are free to do what they want. That is the largest difference between us and them™.

  29. “I had no desire to yell at them to “take them off”. They are free to do what they want.”

    That’s exactly right jpa. There’s no law against being stupid in public…just ask PotAto HeAD.

  30. “Nothing is more embematic to me of the Trump Presidency than the cult like Hydroxychloroquine obsession.”
    I suppose that’s what they say at left wing web sites.
    I have no interest in taking hydroxychloroquine, don’t know any pro-Trump people who are interested in taking hydroxychloroquine.
    It’s like that “Q” fellow. Much talked about on the left. I can’t recall a single SITD comment that mentioned “Q” or Qanon, other than myself (who mocks the idea of a “Qanon” conspiracy) & Emery (who believes in it, and indeed thinks it is one of the engines driving the right).

  31. About 10-12 years ago, I had an old college friend who decided to be the troll on my blog. He would regularly ask me why I hadn’t denounced one Orly Taitz. I had never heard of this individual and I’m still not sure why I was supposed to denounce this person, but I assume he/she/it is a very bad person if it were such an urgent demand. It was easy to be confused, because this college friend/troll often referred to this Taitz as “Oily Taint,” which is apparently a sick burn.

    This is a constant thing on the Left — all I know about QAnon is what the trolls around here tell me. I have neither the time nor the interest to indulge in conspiracy theories. I saw yesterday on Instapundit that Urban Dictionary had a new term featured, called “Blue Anon.” The term has been memory holed.

  32. MO
    I have a friend that had the ChiCom virus. His doctor prescribed hydroxichloroquine, invermectin(?) and zinc. He also told him to take some high dose (50000 IU), which he did. He was over it the next day. His doctor later told him that he wasn’t sure whether he had ChiCom flu or pneumonia, because the respiratory symptoms are so close to identical.

  33. When the Zombie apocalypse comes down, Potato Head will have nothing to worry about…they’ll just pass him right by on brain hunts.

  34. 50000 IU? I think that would be considered a toxic dosage of Vitamin D. Perhaps not?

  35. not even close and depends which precursor. I am sure doc can write us a dissertation.

  36. Damn… you’re right jpa if you’re talking to me. I mentioned this to someone I know who knows about it and 50k IU is sometimes prescribed. My mistake.

  37. Guys, this is kinda OT and yet right on topic. My SO and I have been trying to figure out where the term Karen came from. Not what it means, but if there is an actual Karen? I tried looking up on the interwebs, but gave up after a while (longer then cursory which is normally what is needed to prove that trollbots are lying sacks of manure). TIA.

  38. My wife is in a study with regards to Vitamin D. I do know she seems to have contracted the ‘rona, as she lost her sense of smell and had a rough day , even though the virus test didn’t detect it. Still in the land of the living.

    One note as well is that you’re going to have an acute toxicity threshold, as well as a long term toxicity level, with any fat soluble vitamin. I’d guess (and I mean guess) that a single dose will tend to be absorbed into fat, and won’t tend to cause a problem until the dose gets really big.

    Something in this is scary, with all the reality of trying to figure out what is, and is not, true about a virus we hardly knew anything about 15 months ago. People get a smidgen of data (on both sides) and then declare others basically apostate. Hardly the right way to go about the scientific method, I dare say.

  39. Obviously, the best source of vitamin D is sunlight, but during winter, supplements can make that up. Not sure if anyone remembers this, but around May of last year, a talking bobble head from one of the lame stream media outlets was interviewing Fauxci and asked him what he was doing to avoid contracting the ChiCom virus. His reply was that he takes daily doses of Vitamin C, D3, zinc, magnesium and selenium. I started taking that regimen the next day, but I also added some elderberry extract for good measure. Many years ago, a friend of mine that moved here from Israel, introduced me to Sambucol. For years, it was a standard treatment for the flu over there. Back then, it was pretty hard to find here.

  40. Ask your doctor if Qdroxychloroquine® is right for you and take back your life

    Deflection noted, mocked, discarded.

  41. JPA, I think the origin of ‘Karen” is that it is a name only white women have. So follows the meme of ‘Karen” calling the cops on the non-white guy who makes too much noise with his leaf blower or commits some other perceived misbehaviour.

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