“We’d have solved Covid, if only the American people weren’t so petulant and childish about petty infringements on freedom for the public good”
It’s the Karen lullaby.
Polls since March have shown that Americans overwhelmingly aren’t in denial: They believe the threat of Covid-19 is real, they are reasonably good at identifying medical misinformation, and they are largely complying with public health recommendations. Compared to their peers in Europe, Americans are more willing to get vaccinated against Covid-19, similarly likely to wear masks, and no more prone to believe common conspiracy theories about the pandemic’s origins.
The U.S.’s response to Covid-19 has been bungled in many respects, but widespread public denial doesn’t explain why.
The obsession with denialism isn’t just inaccurate. It’s corrosive for at least three reasons. First, it needlessly alienates the interested public with false accusations. Second, by conflating reasonable dissent with unreasonable misinformation, it stifles debate, even about issues that genuinely warrant discussion. Third, the myth of denial deflects blame from the policy failures of politicians, who use it to claim they’ve done all they could, leaving only the denialists (and cheesecake eaters) to blame.
Back last summer, when an orgy of Blue Fragiility had Minnesotans claiming that the state’s Covid numbers were driven by unmasked Dakotas residents flagrantly crossing the border, I pointed out, as someone who (unlike pretty much any progressive in the world) had been to a Dakota (four times in 2020 so far) that people there were no less socially-distanced (above and beyond their normal natures, even) and masked up than Minnesotans.
And to about the same effect.
The incompetence of the Trump administration to address the virus outbreak before and after in unforgivable. To this day leadership in the Trump administration have no coordinated plan for today or tomorrow.
↑ this claim is made by the commenter who was wrong about the Brexit vote, said that Hillary would win in a landslide, and fell for the “Russian collusion” hoax, hook, line and sinker.
Note the lack of any argument. It’s simply a claim, no evidence or argument is presented.
Emery’s comment is made not to convince anyone or to present a new or unique argument, it is done to pollute the comment section of SITD with anti-Trump nonsense.
👆 *Slams shut the laptop, cries “haha! Owned again!”, stretches his arms out and pitter-patters into the kitchen, cape fluttering, for a well earned hot pocket*
And yet many countries with “coordinated plans” – the UK, Spain, Italy – are doing much worse than the US.
Indeed, you’ve got many countries with intensely draconian responses – the UK and Peru (which declared martial law) that are doing significantly worse than the US.
And you’ve got others – Sweden – that took more laissez-faire approaches and are still doing much better than the US.
It’s a chanting point, Em.
What Max and Pete said.
Emery, I’m not gonna call this a thread-jack because, well, it’s more or less on topic.
But Max is right. You’re pretty much plunking chanting points out there. Not a lot different than Dog Gone, when you think about it.
Government makes plans, Covid says “Ha!”
After nine months of this crap, if mandates that closed businesses, and forced people to wear masks & socially distance were effective, it would be obvious. Place that had mandates would have a significantly lower number of covid deaths, and you would see a reduction in covid deaths and hospitalizations that began at the same time as the mandate.
You don’t see anything like this.
Did you know that a person with covid-19 may have as many as 100 trillion copies of the virus in his/her lungs & airways?
By all means, wear a mask if it makes you feel better. But stop pretending you are doing anything to protect yourself or others.
Isn’t the denial accusation just the thing a religion would do? Accuse its congregants of not believing hard enough? Of not being deserving of the grace or salvation provided by our leaders?
We live in a state trying to become a theocracy.
I’m still waiting for city workers to drive deuce and a half stake bed trucks through the homeless camps, yelling through bullhorns for them to “Bring out their dead”. You know, all of the mask less, non social distancing residents of these camps that have died from the deadliest virus known to man. According to a friend of mine that works with homeless veterans and visits these camps daily, tells me that no one has even been hospitalized for it, let alone contracted it. Now, we have the NY Slimes outing Dr. FAUXci for lying about herd immunity for months.
Luke Letlow, a newly elected US Rep from Louisiana has died of bat flu. He was a pretty young guy, hale and healthy from all appearances so for reasons unknown, he may be among the 6% of the purported 300K people in America that actually did die of bat flu. Just goes to show; shit happens sometimes and life is not fair.
But I want to point out that the flood of leftist derision and celebration I read on the announcement tweet (when will I learn not to follow links to that cesspool?) just reinforce the correctness of my conclusion; we cannot continue to share a country with these reprobates. They really gotta go.
Woolly wrote: “this claim is made by the commenter who was wrong about……”
I was wrong when I predicted that Donald Trump’s nickname in office would be “Mr Clean”
Re Brexit: Basically the UK still has all the constraints to trade with the EU but just more friction and the City has been sacrificed, which means taxes will go up even more. It seems like a pyrrhic victory.
You on the other hand claim Brexit was “good”. “Good” in the same way that wetting yourself to stay warm is good: it doesn’t last long.
The real problem in this whole pandemic was the absolute lack of any real leadership from the White House. Trump’s sole interest was, and continues to be his re-election. Perhaps one of the greatest failures of presidential leadership in generations.
I don’t know how any person having observed the failures of this spring and summer, could walk into a voting booth and vote to re-elect this man. He has been a failure on all accounts, abdicated responsibility at the most necessary time, and has actively undermined science and fact. A failure.
Isn’t the denial accusation just the thing a religion would do? Accuse its congregants of not believing hard enough? Of not being deserving of the grace or salvation provided by our leaders?
We live in a state trying to become a theocracy.
The Church of the Quivering Brethern. (Cold Comfort Farm)
You on the other hand claim Brexit was “good”.
This is a lie.
I don’t know how any person having observed the failures of this spring and summer, could walk into a voting booth and vote to re-elect this man.
I have said many times that the greatest weakness of modern progressives is their lack of imagination. This is exhibit A.
Emery is does not know how half of Americans can vote to re-elect Trump. On the other hand, I understand why half of the country could vote for Biden, or for Trump. There is no right or wrong way to vote, any more than there is a right or wrong way to choose between buying a sedan or buying an SUV. I am an American, no one is allowed to pass judgement on my values. We have a right to pursue happiness, not a right to pursue the government’s idea of happiness.
Oh no, I’m certain The Big E has no intention of pulling a dump-and-run. That was a canine troll, completely different.
I’m sure The Big E was simply trying to stimulate an open and intelligent discussion. I’m eager to participate. He said: “The incompetence of the Trump administration to address the virus outbreak before and after in unforgivable.” [sic]
My response is probably obvious. “What should the Trump administration have done, when should it have done it, and under what authority?”
Woah, that is SO weird. I just had the strongest deja vu. It’s almost as if . . .
The real problem in this whole pandemic was the absolute lack of any real leadership from the White House.
I’ll leave it up to the readers to search out how many times the Trump haters said that it was impossible to deliver a vaccine within 12 months.
Hope Trump runs for the Democrats next time. He’s amazing. Completely ineffective but the way he plays politicians is a joy to watch.
This has less to do with Trump’s skills and integrity and everything to do with politicians lack thereof.
Has anyone noticed the cheese whiz troll has taken to cut and pasting his own inane babbling, again and again? I had thought, at first, his problem might have been an extra chromosome, but now I’m leaning to his being well on the spectrum, compounded by an extraordinarily low IQ.
So E, perhaps you missed my question in response to your claim that President Trump handled Covid poorly. I’ll repeat it:
“What should the Trump administration have done, when should it have done it, and under what authority?”
Now, I have no power to compel you to answer questions, defend your outrageous claims, back up your chanting points. But if you don’t, then you cannot expect to be treated as the other guests here. Instead, you can rightly be expect to be treated as those who leave bags of flaming crap on the porch before running away giggling.
Em,
What Joe said.
I’ve bent over backwards to accomodate you and the other E, because echo chambers are boring and pointless.
But I would like to see your answer to Joe, since almost no Trump critics actually ever answer it.
I think Emery is demonstrating his unsound reasoning by simply flailing.
Here is a graph showing deaths per nation, 7 day rolling average : https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=USA~GBR~CAN~BRA~AUS~IND~DEU~FRA~BEL~FIN~ITA~JPN~ISR®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
The first thing you notice is that deaths are spiking nearly everywhere.
The second thing that you notice is that the US is in the middle.
I suppose what Trump could have done is sent the national guard in to depose the governors of NY, Mass., and New Jersey.
Six months ago, you could say that the US should have done what they did in South Korea or Germany or Japan, but now their deaths are spiking, too.
There is never any thought behind Emery’s claims, no attempt to reduce variables and achieve a coherent thesis. It is just hate. It feels good to hate, adults recognize that and discipline themselves not to use hatred as a basis for resoning
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377,000 people in the United States have died from coronavirus. And what’s Trump doing?
“Twitter is shadow banning like never before. A disgrace that our weak and ineffective political leadership refuses to do anything about Big Tech. They’re either afraid or stupid, nobody really knows!”~ Donald J Trump https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
You know what? Go ahead. Repeal Section 230 immunity. Please do.
Then I can watch and laugh as all these conservative advocates for it are shocked as they’re banished from social media and platforms like Parler dissolve under threat of lawsuits.
Typical shallow thinking from Emery.
Conservatives had no problem finding outlets before the DMCA.
Repealing section 320 will destroy the business models of Facebook, Twitter, etc. They depend on their users to generate content. W/O 320 protections they will be buried in lawsuits for libel. Or they truly take a hands-off approach and they become usenet, e.g., spam & porn.
How about limiting immunity of public officials and government for their negligence and willful misconduct?
Joe Daokes has asked, Max has asked, Berg has asked and now I’ll ask. If Trump has failed to properly deal with the China flu, what’s the proper way?
You’ve proved, beyond any doubt, that a nitwit can nitpick, and we know you’re not smart enpugh to have an intelligent response of your own, so share what correct methods big brain lefties are telling you Trump should have used.
I raed a sci-fi story about a human who had been so absorbed into a collective that he was literally unable to communicate other than by repeating from a selection of stock phrases. Emery is like that.
As you ponder Emery’s unsupported claim that Trump, somehow, is responsible for wuhan virus deaths in the US, Powerline’s Mirengoff reminds who the real villains are: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/12/china-sentences-coronavirus-whistleblower-to-four-years-in-jail.php
You to be deep crazy to believe that Trump is at fault for letting some Chinese nationals through his blockade last spring & not consider China, WHICH SENT THEM TO US, to be blameless.
Emery thinks that holding the CCP responsible for the human and economic devastation they have directly caused would be counterproductive.
I’m guessing he picked that up from the friends of the CCP at The Economist.
So the voters can’t be trusted, the poll workers can’t be trusted, the voting machines can’t be trusted, the media can’t be trusted, the Attorney General can’t be trusted, the Justice Dept can’t be trusted, the people in charge of election security can’t be trusted, the lower courts can’t be trusted, the appellate courts can’t be trusted, the state Supreme Courts can’t be trusted, the US Supreme Court can’t be trusted, and the FBI can’t be trusted
.
But Donald Trump can be trusted.
If you buy this, you just might be in a cult.
I assume everyone who thinks Mike Pence can determine the president will have no problem with Kamala Harris picking the one after that.
If you think the people who disagree with you are in a cult, you just might be in a cult.
Ducks in a barrel.
4-5 of us have reiterated the question, Em.
What. Should. Trump. Do. That. He. Has. The. Statutory. Authority. To. Do?.
TIA.
Remember when you couldn’t turn on the tv without seeing some late night “comedian” or skit show making cruel, often disgusting jokes about Trump?
Where are the jokes about Biden’s venality, his dementia, his inability to speak without lapsing into malapropisms, etc.?
If you are a comedian and your ideology or fear keeps you from making a joke, you should find another job.
👆In most all of your comments you consistently touch on the central themes of Trumpism and its emphasis on grievance. The fighting isn’t a means to an end. It is the entire point.
Good thing this place isn’t a boring ol’ echo chamber. Sooo, is that answer to JD et al in moderation?
In January, 2020, when Dr. Fauci was answering media questions about Covid by saying: “The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” President Trump should have ignored the advice of the top medical professional. He should have substituted his own intuition for science.
The President should have used his authority under the Insurrection Act to stop the importation and spread of the virus. He should have immediately closed the borders to all travel in and out of the country, quarantined New York City where the outbreak was worst, banned interstate travel to limit the spread of virus to other states, outlawed religious and political gatherings, closed bars and restaurants, emptied the prisons, prohibited non-emergency medical treatment, shuttered the schools and deployed the military within the United States with orders to shoot anybody seen in public not wearing a mask.
Prompt, effective containment measures would have stopped the virus cold, just as it has in Minnesota, California and Michigan, the states with the strictest lock-downs. That’s what should have been done, but it wasn’t done, which is why it’s fair to say President Trump bungled the national response to the Covid virus.
Right, E? Did I miss anything?
Trump’s administration can’t even meet it’s own goals for the distribution of vaccines.
Sad really…
These problems were totally predictable and there is really no excuse. However, the lack of leadership at the federal level sets the tone. Local public health has been under funded for years and their ability to do this without support from above is not surprising.
You know, JD, it may be that the E Collective is not actually capable of participating in a discussion. I think it’s a bot.
If it’s a bot, Mitch could ban it without remorse.
I block robocalls from my phone and spam from my email. No reason to treat a mindless nuisance differently here.
A history of the Trump Coronavirus response in four acts:
Nothings happening.
It will go away on it’s own.
We’ve launched a big program to seal the borders.
The failure of the program to seal the borders is not our fault.
No Americans have died.
The death numbers will drop on their own.
We’ve launched a big testing program.
The failure of the testing program is not our fault.
There is no second wave.
The second wave will go away on its own.
We’ve launched a big treatment program.
The failure of the the treatment program is not our fault.
There won’t be a winter surge.
The winter surge will go away on its own.
We’ve launched a big vaccination drive.
The failure of the vaccination drive is not our fault.
Warp Speed??
“As of Wednesday, more than 14 million doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines had been sent out across the United States, up from 11.4 million doses on Monday morning. But just 2.1 million people had received their first dose as of Monday morning, according to CDC.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/30/health/covid-vaccines-slow-rollout.html
Not pile on —,but we have administered 2% of the 100 million vaccinations Trump promised by year’s end.
That’s an impressive list of things the President should NOT have done.
What should the President have done, when should he have done it, and under what authority?
What should the President have done, when should he have done it, and under what authority?
Crickets.
He never figured it out. His lack of historical knowledge was his end. Americans rally behind their president in a crisis. If he’d come on national television, called all Americans to work together against this common enemy, he would have won the election in a landslide. Americans want a strong leader during a crisis. Americans are willing to set aside their differences to work together and overcome problems that are common to everyone. Instead, he took a cowards stance. He dug in, and presumed —erroneously — that it was something to do with only him. Trump manufactured his own demise, and in the midst of his hubris, millions became ill, and hundreds of thousands of Americans died. Trump couldn’t see beyond his own quest for superficial popularity. History will not be kind.
Again, no specific policy recommendations, just platitudes.
What specific policies do you think Merkel should have implemented to save Germans from the scourge of covid? Germany is now ahead of the US, 7.3 deaths per million to 6.99 deaths per million (seven day rolling average).
Say, do you think that Trump could have implemented a Manhattan-style project & developed a vaccine within nine months? Maybe called it “Operation Warp Speed”?
You are pathetic, Emery. Your Trump hatred has destroyed whatever mind you had.
👆No, this is the alternative for moaning therapy after a night of heavy drinking in the SiTD editorial board room.
Had Trump allowed scientists, science and data to direct his response to the pandemic and simply required masks and social distancing, the size of the surges would’ve been smaller and he would’ve been credited with an election clinching response to the crisis. Despite his 3 previous years, an impeachment and endless pathological lies, I fully believe he would’ve, nonetheless, been re-elected. His Achilles heel was and remains his self- destructive tendency to only view a situation by its impact solely on HIM. In the end, that trait ended his presidency. History will judge him and his sycophants harshly, correctly blaming them for thousands of unnecessary American deaths.
In 3 weeks, Trump will leave the White House. Let us hope that Biden can lead us out of this unnecessary tragedy.
Had Trump allowed scientists, science and data to direct his response to the pandemic and simply required masks and social distancing
Bullshit. That’s why you offer no evidence that this is true.
Cuomo did what Fauci told him, and NY leads the country in death rates.
California has been in a hard lockdown for most of the year, its hospitals are overflowing. Cali has a higher death rate than cold, dark Wisconsin, where social distancing and mask wearing are haphazard at best.
The experts have failed. This doesn’t surprise me, I have never had any faith in experts as experts.
It seems to have driven Emery into some sort of brain-spasm. He knows that the countries that have “listened to the scientists” are experiencing death rates from covid as high, or higher, than the United States.
Yet he cannot admit that. Not will not admit it, he cannot admit it, any more than he can admit that “Russian collusion” was a hoax.
Are you for real? The virus laid bare Trump’s complete lack of qualification to lead our country anywhere but into peril.
Just about everyone I know could have done a better job at managing this pandemic than Trump did. He actively called it a hoax when he knew it was deadly. He failed to promote mask-wearing when it was “scientifically proven” to be beneficial at stopping the spread of the virus. Trump cared more about the economy and votes from his base than saving the lives of Americans. Great leaders surround themselves with intelligent people and listen to them. Trump has and never will do that. He’ll forever be the smartest man in the room, in his own mind, that is.
scientists, science and data to direct his response to the pandemic and simply required masks and social distancing, the size of the surges would’ve been smaller and he would’ve been credited with an election clinching response to the crisis.
And so! Cheese whiz troll unwittingly (how appropriate) answers the question he has avoided. If Trump had only…..
Well, well, well.
The CA and NY shit lords have mandated masks, and they have Ken and Karen drones out there turning in their neighbors who don’t obey. They’ve instituted lock downs on their populations. They’ve shut everything down except the places and things they, themselves use and want. They claim they’re doing so on the advice of scientists, science and data.
How’s that working for them, you brainless asshole? Why, If I’m not mistaken (and I’m not), their shithole states are raging pits of bat flu death. If their newspapers are to be believed (lol) people are dropping like flies. But oh! They’ve clamped down so hard that any further action leaves a man with the choice of fighting on his feet, or dying on his knees with a diaper on his face.
LMAO…no wonder you wouldn’t answer honestly.
I’m glad to see Swiftee as the unit of measurement for stupid.
Say nitwit? I can feel your head under my rhetorical boot, I sense your frustration and anger, and I am enjoying the feeling.