Remember when the Wisconsin Supreme Court struck down Governor “Nanny” Evers’ lockdown?
And cheeseheads swarmed into bars, sans masks and social distancing, et avec about two months worth of socializing to catch up on?
Remember the carnage the Twin Cities’ media and Karen class predicted?
EIther will they, if they have anything to say about it:
There were 203 positives out of the total 7,589 test results, or 2.67%. That’s the fourth day in a row the rate was below 3%.
Testing had been above 10,000 daily since last Tuesday.
The state’s death toll is now 646. That’s down from Sunday’s report of 647; the state Department of Health Services (DHS) says a patient in Milwaukee County was counted twice.
The last time the state had no COVID-19 death reports was May 17.
I’ll bet a shiny new quarter that locked down (except for protesters) Minnesota gets and stays sicker than Wisconsin.
And Iowa.
And the Dakotas. Both of ’em.
And Florida.
Any action on that bet, Progs?
Total lockdown is an admission of policy failure at the National level. You do that because you don’t know what the hell is going on.
The obvious conclusion is that blanket lockdowns of total populations were unnecessary and that it would have been far simpler and fairer to have isolated the vulnerable, left economies and countries open, and invested fast in track and trace efforts. An astonishing failure of public policy in most advanced economies, and especially in the US, Brazil and UK.
Is The Great and Wonderful Walz still pumping covid positive patients into nursing homes and long term care facilities? If not, why not?
One must keep the numbers up to preserves one’s power.
The Center of the American Experiment had an article up earlier this week, showing that Minnesota’s Covid response gave us the worst death rate and also the worst economy. Lose-Lose.
And it’s not just the numbers. Walz’ Stay Home order may have been authorized by law but compliance was based on moral grounds. We must all sacrifice to avoid spreading Covid to save 22,000 Minnesotan’s lives. But the models overestimated the virus by 1000x so throwing a million Minnesotans out of work isn’t worth the few lives saved. And we’re intentionally sending infected people into nursing homes to kill even more oldsters. And the candy store owned by a campaign contributor can be open, and rioters are exempt, and certain churches can ignore the rules . . . Walz lost both the scientific and moral justifications for the lock down. Nobody believes it, anymore.
Some people are wearing masks and social distancing where required by the store, but nobody is wearing a mask on their daily walk in the park. Traffic is nearly back to normal. People are driving to Wisconsin to eat dinner in a restaurant. We realize it’s over, whether Walz admits it or not.
The existence of the virus was not a hoax. The panic response was a hoax. It fooled a lot of the people for some of the time, but you know what they say.
The curtain has been pulled back. The Great and Wonderful Walz is exposed. Time to come clean, Timmy.
“Total lockdown is an admission of policy failure at the National level.”
Not in the US. We didn’t have a national lockdown. Ours was state-by-state, and not in all states (see the Dakotas, for example).
Can’t blame this on Trump. He didn’t do it. Democrat governors did it. Democrat legislatures perpetuated it. Democrat mayors exacerbated it.
It’s a disaster, all right, right up there with Obama-care, which is also entirely a Democrat created fiasco. The fact they’re trying to cast blame on Republicans instead of claiming credit for their actions, only shows how great the disaster is.
Is it just me, or did the entire argumentative position by libturds on this blog devolve into copy and paste of talking points from thread to thread to thread? I have enough deja vu moments in my life. Wish they would come up with an original thought once in a while. Nah, who am I kidding.
And right on cue, Emery projects, AGAIN. He is just outraged that Trump isn’t the dictator, fascist, Constitution violator that his media masters and triggered lefties told him that the President was. As he is required to do, per the Constitution, Trump let the states make their own decisions on how to deal with the Plandemic, offering federal resources as a back up. He can’t acknowledge that it was leftist governor’s that went right to the Communist playbook, causing far more deliberate senior deaths than otherwise would not have happened, put millions of people out of work, caused considerable collateral deaths from other causes like suicides and domestic abuse. But, Republicans want grandma to die, right Emery? The truth is out and the Bill Gates/Democrat depopulation agenda was in full operation. In fact, it has been revealed that Andy Cuomo, apparently gave immunity to a large donor, who happens to own numerous assisted living facilities, where Andy was sending people infected people.
It’s gonna be hard to memory hole this, but the progs are trying. Case in point, George Floyd. Let’s forget about this Covid business and focus on the real problem: Systemic Racism™️
golfdoc, “racism” is a shield many blacks hide behind because they are either incapable or too scared to take advantage of the freedom and opportunities white people have shared with them.
It is a dog whistle for losers and cowards.
Moderation is an excellent way to start the day.
OT: Just got off the phone with a colleague in the old country – they are appalled and dumbfounded what is happening here and how it is allowed to perpetuate. Especially the subservience of the woke to their new overlords. Oh, and the pomp and circumstance of the gold coffin of St. Floyd.
And right on cue, Emery projects, AGAIN.
Projectile vomiting, in the middle of a pandemic. Why does Emery want to kill people?
As for Gov. Evers, didn’t he say that Republicans in Wisconsin were going to OWN the chaos created by the Supreme Court’s spank? Maybe they’ll be willing to lease it back to him.
I see from the comments there are people who still think its a “little flu”. For a comparison with the worlds other major diseases have a look at this nice graphic. It runs from Jan this year to May 24 so add deaths at the end. https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/
The Spectator‘s Toby Young is doing a great job of asking the questions mainstream journalists should be asking, and don’t (at least for Britain). Young says that Boris’s people met with a variety of epidemiologists to determine his government’s response to covid-19. They were given a number of options, and Boris chose the strict lockdown regime recommended by the now disgraced Neil Ferguson.
The lockdowns are political failures, not scientific failures.
The irony is that the lockdowns were chosen over the alternatives because politicians are extremely risk averse. The one outcome they wanted to avoid was killing grandma.
And that is exactly what they ended up doing.
There are some curious features to this pandemic.
In Hawaii, we have very few infections. We are a low population, island state, Visitors from outside Hawaii are quarantined, and travelers between the islands are quarantined.
Contact tracing is about as simple and perfectable as it can ever be.
We haven’t had any deaths for weeks, but there is a slow trickle of new cases, around six a day, mostly on Oahu.
The media is extremely unhelpful about identifying where, on Oahu, these new cases are appearing (Oahu has about a million people on a six hundred square mile island).
If contact tracing & testing doesn’t work on Oahu, it won’t work anywhere.
The irony is that the lockdowns were chosen over the alternatives because politicians are extremely risk averse. The one outcome they wanted to avoid was killing grandma.
And that is exactly what they ended up doing.
Well put, MP
One of the issues you see in using the power of government to impose a lockdown (rather than let people figure things out for themselves), is that the people, collectively, are smarter than the government.
In the state of Hawaii, a quarantine for visitors from outside of the state was announced in late March. A week or two later, it was rumored, quietly, that the state was going to impose a quarantine on travelers between the islands. So you had this sudden flurry of residents flying inter-island (and possibly spreading the disease) so they could get home before the inter-island quarantine was imposed.
The irony is that the lockdowns were chosen over the alternatives because politicians are extremely risk averse. The one outcome they wanted to avoid was killing grandma.
And that is exactly what they ended up doing.
Yep, that’s about the gist of it. Well put indeed. Oh, and puhleeze… no, as in zero, nada science or rational thought went into the decision making process – only hype and deliberate misinformation and misdirection.
Toby Young is dissecting Ferguson’s latest attempt to salvage his reputation at lockdownsceptics.org.
The original software model they used was so bad that it would give significantly different outputs depending what kind of computer you ran it on.
Ferguson’s team tried to address this code issue by making multiple runs of the model & averaging the results.
This is, suffice it to say, not considered “best practice” in the software world.
Woolly wrote: “If contact tracing & testing doesn’t work on Oahu, it won’t work anywhere.”
It’s clear that Germany did a very good job on this pandemic, if we compare it to many of its European neighbors. There were many other European countries which did an amazing job primarily via an early shutdown — e.g. Greece, Czecia, Bulgaria, Latvia, Luthwania, Estonia, Finland, Norway, Denmark etc.
I would argue, however, that the gold standard we should be aiming for is not be in a position where we need to shutdown at all. Fundamentally, shutdown is the last resort — admittance that we cannot manage this crisis with any other tools.
Many Asian countries have never shutdown fully or only for short periods. It looks like that their success rested on superior test, trace, isolate system (btw where did ‘isolate’ go in the UK approach) as well as sensible things like wearing masks.
Why is this important now? Nothing has fundamentally changed, 90%+ of our populations are still susceptible, virus is still as contagious and deadly as before and nobody wants to go into a shutdown again. If we don’t track down and isolate every single case, we could be in a position of having to use our blunt tool of a shutdown.
I do hope we getting its act together, but looking back at our response doesn’t inspire me with much confidence.
“It’s clear that Germany did a very good job on this pandemic, if we compare it to many of its European neighbors. ”
Believing the common wisdom is what got us into this mess.
You know which European country did even better than Germany at containing the spread & death count of covid-19?
Belarus.
The reaction of the government of Belarus to covid-19 has been eccentric, to say the least. No lockdown, but a mandatory quarantine for some foreign visitors. Schools did not close. Some local officials tried to impose social distancing rules, but the central government told them to knock it off. The Belarusans held their Victory parade and festival on May 9th, as usual.
The results?
German deaths per million, 106.
Belarus deaths per million, 30.
Our media only wants to see where a robust response by the state is associated with a relatively low covid-19 body count. That is why you see “the German model” celebrated, while the better performance of Belarus is ignored.
” . . . virus is still as contagious and deadly as before . . . .”
This is the key, and Liberals are ignoring it. It’s NOT very contagious and it’s NOT very deadly, to average healthy Americans. It’s about the same as a bad flu. And there’s no reason to panic because of that.
The largest economy on the planet does not have a coherent national strategy for the pandemic of a century six months in.
Covid-19 transmission is an impressive thing: purely mathematical, it doesn’t go away when people stop believing in it.
better performance of Belarus is ignored
Heh… If death from Wuhan Flu is not recorded as Wuhan Flu, did it happen? And conversely, if a person died from a gunshot wound but his death was reported as being from Wuhan Flu because he tested positive, did it happen?
There had been plenty of “seasonal flu” in Belarus this year – firsthand knowledge. The big difference is – nobody ran around in a panic and reported to the authorities every time they, or anyone, sneezed or coughed or their temp went up. They treated it as a “seasonal flu” that comes around every… fucking… year! Sometimes it is worse, sometimes it is better.
Now, if you want to discuss the science behind the Wuhan Flu virus, that’s a very fascinating subject but OT for this thread.
We know from the epidemiologists themselves, and the feckless politicians who listened to them & imposed economic lockdowns & abrogated Americans’ civil rights — that cops attacking black Americans is a greater threat to public health than covid-19.
So peddle your panic elsewhere, Emery.
The largest economy on the planet does not have a coherent national strategy for the pandemic of a century six months in.
For all your oh-so knowledgeable pontificating (aka carping) about this, you’ve had six months to think about it and yet you haven’t presented a single suggestion as to what this so-called “coherent national strategy for the pandemic of a century” would be. C’mon, smart-guy, lay out your strategy.
Or maybe your strategy is more coheren’t than coherent?
I saw a breathless CNN news clip on YouTube last night, announcing “record” hospitalizations for COVID, presumably because Texas opened too soon. I’ve been tracking day to day positive tests and deaths for a number of states, so I went to my spreadsheet. Hmm, Texas is one of the few states that doesn’t report hospitalizations. I saw that their deaths per 100k population is the 42 lowest in the country, though. I figured this justified spending 4 minutes watching the CNN clip.
Huh. The anchor kept asking the health official why this sudden spike. He said there were a lot of reasons why the COVID-related hospitalizations is up from 10% to 15% recently, including normal fluctuation and the fact that there have been a lot of seasonal events such as Mother’s Day, graduations and weddings drawing people out, and there was too little information to draw any conclusions (but not to write a headline). The anchor even asked, “Did Texas open too early?” The official repeated that that is hard to determine. I’d say, however, the available metrics suggest that Texas is doing very well compared to the rest of the U.S.
Heh heh… Not sure about hospitalization, but you know why case number jumped? Because more people are being tested. Simple math is beyond libturd understanding and comprehension as we have learned from the past. Since you watch Cartoon News Network NW so I do not have to, did the anchor say anything about higher testing availability? You know, for perspective, context, integrity and honesty? Oh wait, this is CNN we are talking about. Nevermind.
Leftist slobs didn’t need another one, but there’s yet another reason they must keep their various martial law scams going.
Once the all clear is called, banks and landlords will begin eviction proceedings. Repo men will begin towing away cars. Businesses marginally holding on now, will close. Credit will be unobtanium for millions for years to come.
Right wing media will take the ball and run with it, fueling the anger and craving for retribution against the leftist reprobates that caused the upheaval for purely political purposes.
The reprobates were content to let their violent, low IQ base riot, loot and burn their cities to the ground…what might they do if millions of heretofore middle class wipipul take to the streets?
I predict mass shootings.
@jdm
It’s pretty simple, really.
Trump was told early on about this virus but he didn’t care.
Trump heard “flu” and immediately figured it was no big deal—you just take some Sudafed and sleep for a day.
He downplayed it to the point where he actively discouraged enhancing our testing abilities because he figured a simple flu bug would work its way through the population and no one would notice.
When it became clear that it was more serious he acted like it would be easy to control and said how he had the situation solved (“15 cases, soon to be zero”) and how he had “total authority.” — and “I don’t want testing. I don’t like the way it makes my numbers look.”
But once Trump realized he was too stupid and too lazy to address the issue his hamfisted approach exacerbated he surrendered and declared victory by handing it off to the governors.
He sat on the sidelines criticizing the tough choices and hard work made by our citizens and local leaders and never lifted a finger to help (unless you consider cheering on militia members in Michigan to be helpful).
So, no suggestions, just more demagoguery.
Fauci says the WHO ‘was not correct’ about asymptomatic spread of the coronavirus
Top government infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said the World Health Organization “was not correct” in claiming that asymptomatic transmission of the coronavirus is “very rare.”
“They walked that back, because there’s no evidence that that’s the case,” Fauci said on Good Morning America Wednesday, referring to the statement made by WHO epidemiologist Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove. “To make a statement that that’s a rare event was not correct.”
Kerkhove said Monday that “it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual.”
So according to leftist hero Fauci, once again, Drumpf was right. WHO is nothing more than a basket of incompetent, leftist propagandists who have been wasting billions of US treasure for years. Thanks to leftist hero Fauci, Drumpf now has the backing of US experts he needs to complete his plan to defund WHO.
Fauci is about to learn the intricacies of bus undercarriage design in 5…4…3…2…1
Is anyone tarred of winning? Because I’m no where nears tarred of winning.
Yea, when you have TDS, all unpleasant occurrences go back to Trump.
It is a mental illness.
Apparently Trump is the worst national leader in the world, and the leaders of nations that have had a higher death toll from covid-19? They are even worse.
These would be the nations of: San Marino; Belgium; Andorra; UK; Spain; Italy; Sweden; France; Netherlands; Sint Maarten.
All of which have had very robust, centrally planned responses to covid-19. They were just the wrong responses. The Brits supposedly have whipped up so much fear about covid-19 in their people that they can’t really unlock them. If they open bars, theaters, sports events, travel, etc., in the UK, people still want to huddle in their homes. Their government has them convinced that the covid-19 is the devil; it is everywhere and nowhere, even simply walking alone in the countryside is hazardous.
Measuring the effectiveness of the national response by counting deaths doesn’t work within the US, according to our panicked elites. Cuomo, with the highest death rate in the US, is looked upon as a hero, while governor Kristi Noem of South Dakota, with a wide-open state and a low death count, is looked upon as some sort of mass murderer.
Don’t look for reason and rationality, it is not there.
I’ve watching Fauci. He is a snake oil salesman.
Notice that he doesn’t cite any evidence at all when he claims that WHO is wrong, and that transmission of the disease from asymptomatic people is not rare. He just blathers.
This is the whole quote from Fauci:
We know from epidemiological studies they can transmit to someone who is uninfected even when they’re without symptoms, So to make a statement to say that’s a rare event was not correct.
Notice that he is not actually disagreeing with the WHO statement, and note, as well, that “We know from epidemiological studies they can transmit to someone who is uninfected even when they’re without symptoms” is not the same as saying “We know from epidemiological studies they have transmitted to someone who is uninfected even when they’re without symptoms.”
Fauci cites no examples of asymptomatic transmission, nor does he identify the studies he is referring to.
I can’t be the only that sees this, can I?
WHO says remarks about ‘rare’ asymptomatic spread of coronavirus were ‘misunderstanding’
Translation for those who don’t follow clownspeak:
“We said there wasn’t, but what we meant was there is, unequivocally, asymptomatic spread.”
These are the people that disseminated the pseudo-scientific twaddle that leftist reprobates used to crash the world economy. Pelosi and Schumer, in particular, are on record as big supporters of WHO.
The two, WHO and leftist reprobates, are destined to share the public stocks in the world town center where destitute populations will be invited to throw offal at them. Emotions are high; life savings lost…it may get out of hand from there, idk.
When you look at the data, neither WHO nor the CDC nor Fauci know what the Hell they are talking about. Lockdown status makes no difference in the deaths per capita, wether when comparing state-to-state or nation-to-nation stats, mask wearing doesn’t do anything, about half of the people on ventilators die from being ventilated, closed or open schools make no difference in the death count.
And they have nothing to say about the horrific body count among the elderly and in care homes.
You can safely ignore whatever random advice these “experts” are spouting.
I can’t be the only that sees this, can I?
No, but TDS sufferers are true acolytes and SCIENCEtm of misdirection and misinformation trumps everything (pun intended).
And they have nothing to say about the horrific body count among the elderly and in care homes.
Never mind increase in divorce and suicide rates. But them are inconvenient facts that sheople are not entitled to.
I’m proof that it was all a hoax. I travel widely and often; my industry has been declared “essential”, so I never stopped traveling. I’ve been exposed to many thousands of people in airports, stayed in hotels, freely walked many streets. Never wore a DEMask. Even on airplanes, I set the DEMask they handed out on the empty seat next to me.
I refused to wear them because as an intelligent person who investigates the scientific facts, I knew as they had >300 micron fabric weave (at best), while bat flu is ~.02 micron, they were utterly worthless, and I don’t intend to support the false narrative. I sneer and laugh at the morons I see wearing them while driving cars and giving interviews via Skype.
I used the time proven precautions I always use while traveling during flu season. Wash my hands, wipe down surfaces, do not eat food from buffet or self serve set ups (I never do that at anytime, tbh). I have not ever taken a flu vaccine shot, and have not had any flu for as long as I can remember.
I’m healthy as an Ox and cockier than a Bantam rooster.
I will not eat the bug, I will not live in the Pod, I will not ride in the clown car, Epstein did not kill himself and George Floyd was a career criminal.
I had the 1957 Asian Flu as a7 year old, recall being sick as hell. Looking at mortality stats per 100000, real similar to Covid. Were the lockdowns necessary? In my opinion not to the extent that took place. The Diamond Princess “experiment “ was a sign that older people suffered the worse. In Minnesota they weren’t protected. That’s criminal negligence. Let’s all say together: Grandma can’t breathe, Governor Walz.
Rhetorical question.
Is Emery REALLY that stupid to keep repeating the same old crap, thinking someone else will believe it or is he deliberately being obtuse?
Hoss, low IQ people often ejaculate the stupidity they have ingested. It’s like Tourette syndrome; they cannot help it. E. Dimwit Esq. is an excellent example.
Observe: The CDC has been in a communication blackout for the past several weeks. They realize that their models were bs, and they see that people are on to them.
Like the CDC, Minnesota’s reprobate governor used bogus a bogus model cobbled together by a couple of grad students who needed something to do to kill time.
That governor was also shown to be a buffoon by the rioting and looting lowest common denominators of the TC. Utterly ineffective, laughably inept he sat in his tax payer furnished mansion and watched his state’s largest cities go up in flames.
Does anyone think he will be held accountable come election time?
Grandma can’t breathe, Governor Walz.
Nicely put there, golfdoc.
Boss, maybe he’s paid by the word.
How many funerals were sacrificed to the public health fraud? We know of at least one, right here on SiTD.
Consider that as you gaze on the photo documentation of a funeral attended by hundreds MN & national leftist reprobates and poverty pimps squirting tears on the gold casket of a convicted armed robber and drug addict.
I’ve not heard a peep out of anyone about that. All too cowed to speak ill lest the looting and burning commence again.
There’s a scene in one of my favorite movies, “Cold Mountain”, where having observed unspeakable violence and injustice, the character played by Renee Zellwiger says “This world won’t stand long. God won’t let it stand this way long.”.
I can’t speak for God, or the rest of the world, but unless white Americans learn to stand united against those who are allied to destroy it, this country won’t stand long.
They realize that their models were bs, and they see that people are on to them.
Nevermind definitions and simple math. As you know, that pesky denominator and numerator thing are a very complex concept for them SCIENCEtm folk.
but unless white Americans learn to stand united against
I don’t know swiftee, there are plenty of black, brown, yellow, striped and polka dot people who would not want to see the USA descend into soci@list hell. Why exclude them?
Just for giggles, I looked up the number of police officers (about 850k) and arrests (about 10 million ) in the U.S. I would infer that the average police officer makes an arrest about once a month, and (given ~1000 fatalities from officer shootings each year) about one in ten thousand goes lethal.
Even allowing for a generous portion of time spent investigating crimes prior to arrests, one has to wonder how officer time is allocated, and if the police are seen as that distant from the public they theoretically serve, one has to wonder whether their time might be better spent doing something else.
Along those lines, one of the survivors of Larry Nassar’s crimes joked that the best way to get forbidden gas masks into riots is to hide them in rape kit boxes, because the police never touch those. Maybe….the “thin blue line” needs to get some new priorities.
Regarding the troubles with COVID-19, one thing that comes to mind is that as no less than the CDC and state departments of health were allowing COVID patients back into nursing homes before they were cleared of the disease, we had a situation where the less likely and less deadly paths of transmission were mostly blocked, but the worst, nastiest way to transmit the disease was left wide open.
In the past couple of weeks, that situation has somewhat reversed, so you’ve got a likely reduction in nursing home infections set off against an increase in other infections. I have to wonder how much less lethal this disease would have been if we would have acted on what we’ve known about influenza for over a century–that it disproportionately attacks the infirm.
Bravo! This is an excerpt from a comment from your neighbour to the west, Gov Noem of S.D.
Perhaps the most significant takeaway so far is that more freedom, not more government, is the answer… Freedom is a better friend of true science than government-centered and government-controlled science. Freedom, not government, is the best friend of innovation. Freedom focuses our politics on persuasion and the intellectual strength of our positions, not on control, coercion or the heavy hand of government. And if someone is interested in the common good in all its iterations and complexities, freedom is the one and only choice.
My approach to this virus was to provide South Dakotans with all the information I could and then trust them to exercise their freedom to make the best decision for themselves and their families. We took a unique path – we haven’t locked people up, forced businesses or churches to close, or ordered a statewide shelter in place.
The mainstream media attack those who push for freedom and for people to be able to make the best decisions for their families. But politicians who take away people’s freedoms and enforce lockdowns are praised – and shielded from real scrutiny.
Dr Fauci is the voice of reason. He is the only trustworthy spokesperson in this administration.
Quite a few library ‘Physicians’ and ‘Epidemiologists’ posting here today.
I understood that Trump solved this whole problem back in January when he blocked a few flights from China.
Also, the US had 34,000 total deaths in 2018/2019 from the flu. New York City had 24,000 Covid deaths in three months in 2020. Which is why one could see how someone else might imagine Covid is the flu…
Better to believe in fake conspiracy theories and blame others to rally the troops than in actual facts and science where you have to do something to address the problem, in a timely manner.