We’ve had the second active shooter episode in a couple of days on a Navy base – first Pearl Harbor, now Pensacola.
Which has prompted some of the usual suspects to mouth the usual jibberish:
For sake of argument? Perhaps.
What it does do is show that banning guns is no defense against violence. Navy, like all military bases, and indeed all federal offices and installations, are “gun-free zones”.
Like Fort Hood. And the Little Rock recruiting station. And the Chattanooga one…
…well, hang on a minute. There, an officer, Lieutenant Commander Tim White, had a sidearm – against the rules – and returned fire at the murderer this likely played a key part in the fact that the death toll at White’s Naval Reserve center was limited to one sailor (the murdered had killed four Marines at a “gun free” recruiting center shortly before). The Navy pondered charges before demurring under an avalanche of public condemnation (although I can find no word about how the Navy treated LtCdr White afterward; I’m going to guess his career ended not long after, although I’d be happy to find out otherwise).
Anyway – this is the logic and concern for fact a Harvard degree gets you these days
If only the Naval Station had adequate weapons to defend themselves.
“Thoughts and Prayers”
There are all sorts of weapons – protecting secure facilities and the gates themselves.
But except for MPs/Masters At Arms/Marines on security detail, military bases are more disarmed than Chicago.
“Thoughts and Prayers”
Good point, Em. Let’s run off in a panic and jam down rules and laws without any reflection or analysis.
That never goes disastrously.
Your response, Mitch, was much more measured and reasonable than the little weasel deserved. He was being (continues to be) an a@@hole.
Hawaii has very strict gun laws, especially regarding hand guns. It takes several weeks and at least two visits to the police station to legally purchase a weapon.
I have an idea.
Let’s devise a system whereby any homicidal moron can own a gun and buy ammunition for it, just to see what happens.
We will say it’s guaranteed by the constitution.
Depending on the base, there may be plenty of actual machine guns all over the place. M-249s, Mark 19’s, M-2, M-240… The problem is not access to guns, it’s to ammunition.
I remember being on a field exercise in the Kahookoo Mountains, on the north shore of Oahu. We were out there for a couple weeks, with individual and crew served weapons, doing our training. It occurred to me that one person with a functioning pistol could conceivably come and steal all those weapons from us, as the only ammo we had was blanks. Now, you can shoot cleaning rods out of an M-16 using blanks, but that isn’t a solution to someone aiming a handgun with actual rounds in it at you. I’m more shocked that it doesn’t happen more often.
Yo, Emery, you do realize that if said homicidal moron has a felony or domestic violence conviction in their record, they’re not allowed to own guns, right?
So your claim that any homicidal moron can have a gun is pure BS. Rather, most homicidal morons in the U.S. get their guns the same way they do anywhere else in the world; by theft, fraud, or by buying them from other homicidal morons. Gun laws can’t stop that.
I grew up as a Navy brat, lived on several military bases (including Pearl Harbor.) I can attest to there being no weapons carried by the personnel other than the Marine guards at the gate. Sure there were shooting ranges, but it was not Tombstone, Arizona with open carry. Right now the motives of the shooters are unknown but they had no worse chances opening fire on a military base than in any city in America.
You do realize, Emery, that military bases are ‘Gun Free Zones’ in terms of the soldiers, sailor and airmen stationed there? There is no general carry of arms by military personnel on US soil…. crazy huh? Given that they are part of the ‘Only Ones(tm)’ qualified to be armed.
Wonder what the outcome of these events (Pensacola, Pearl Harbor, Fort Hood, etc) would have been if the military allowed on-base CCW similar to off-base, or even required the average soldier to be armed?
It turns out the shooter was a Saudi.
In any case let’s impose a restriction on letting Saudis into the US “until we figure out what the hell is going on”.
“Let’s devise a system whereby any homicidal moron can own a gun and buy ammunition for it, just to see what happens.”
There is no such right. What are you, an ignorant Canadian?
The guy at Pearl was active duty military, and, from what I hear in the 50th state, he used his issued service pistol. Disarming soldiers seems to be . . . a stupid idea?
In any case let’s impose a restriction on letting Saudis into the US “until we figure out what the hell is going on”.
I agree. It is hard to see how the lives of ordinary Americans would be negatively affected by a total ban on immigration for ten or twenty years.
MP a total ban on immigration is a good start, but the spineless GOP needs to put an end to the disastrous Immigration Act of 1965. Just one more poison pill the reprobates shoved down America’s gullet.
BTW, Dunning_Kruger’s witless bon mot re: guns on military bases puts an end to the thought he’d ever put in 1 day in uniform. In that, even teh Peevee stands above him. What a POS.
Swiftee, careful. Peev went and posted some crap on a post earlier this morning. D_K is a more constant poster and Mitch apparently unbanned (at least I thought he was banned) Peev so we could have a race to the IQ bottom. But D_K’s posts in this threat have either made me want to puke or punch him in the face. Good job D_K you have reached a new low on this blog which is really saying something.
What?!? PoD, I missed out on a PeeVee “wall of text”? Which post?
Found it. PeeVee’s got that TL;DR thing down cold.
Im pretty sure if you look up the definition of TL;DR Peenishes posts will be under them. I dont know if I have gotten through a post since like 2015
Swiftee, sidenote I have never been nor will ever be active duty or reserves just as a full disclosure but its mostly due to a mental diagnosis I had zero control over. Just thought I’d let you know.
So those nationalists in the Trump administration banned Muslims from all the broke ME countries but Saudis can still take flying lessons in Florida 😂
The US should retaliate and invade er… Iraq or Iran or Afghanistan.
No worries POD. I joined the Navy for college money, not out of a thirst to kill gooks for the motherland.
D_K deserves the boots because he feels himself worthy of weighing in, and trashing vets, but didn’t put the time in himself, not just because he didn’t serve.
emetic is just upset about the outstanding jobs report that came out today, knowing that this economy is gonna sail PDT into a second term.
Poor emetic.
15 of the 19 hijackers from 9/11 were Saudi’s.
Over 60% of IED’s used to kill Americans in Iraq were smuggled/created from Iraq’s southern border (hint: Iran is not south of Iraq’s border!)
100% of the jihad spewed by Al Qaeda is based on Wahhabi Islam
100% of the jihad spewed by ISIS is based on Sunni Wahhabi Islam
Saudi Arabia is the only major kingdom that practices and funds Sunni Wahhabism
100% of the global mosques that preach and promote Sunni Wahhabi Islam fundamentalism is funded by — Saudi Arabia.
But Saudi Arabia is our ally that needs our weapons (to be given to ISIS) and our protection….
Let the above sink in.
Another copy and past exercise from Emery.
^^ Are you able to provide a link there sport? Of course not….
Americans refuse to remember that the terrorists of Sept 11, 2001, were Saudi Nationals, receiving support from members of the royal family.
There is really little the Saudis could do to shake America’s confidence in them. Saudi Arabia remains America’s largest purchaser of weapons. Between Saudi and UAE (their more progressive but equally violent ‘cousins’) they comprise a full 1/3rd of US weapons sales.
On the other hand even Saudi’s have guys that break bad and go out and shoot people, you know, just like Americans do on a weekly basis. Maybe he was just acclimating to the social environment.
Americans refuse to remember that the terrorists of Sept 11, 2001, were Saudi Nationals, receiving support from members of the royal family.
Bullshit. Americans are well aware of who the 9/11 hijackers were.
kinlaw on December 6, 2019 at 10:13 pm said:
emetic is just upset about the outstanding jobs report that came out today
No, Emery is upset because he is pro-Iranian (a country that claims to be at war with the US), and he sees the Saudis and the Israelis as the two countries that are frustrating Iran’s goals to dominate the ME.
Yes, shooting people is barbaric. The civilized thing is to use a bone saw.
The King said that the Saudi people are greatly angered by the barbaric actions of the shooter, and that this person in no way shape or form represents the feelings of the Saudi people who love the American people.
~Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
oPerhaps yu should develop a political philosophy that is not based on hatred, Emery.
Emery is upset because he is pro-Iranian
I think this is fair insofar as it acknowledges two things. First, this is the anti-Trump position – nothing more need be explained; the rationales are simply lipstick on a pig. Second, leftists can switch allegiances to or from Eastasia as quickly as is needed. And never look back nor wonder why.
It remains so contrary to how Trump ran, which was as someone who was going to stop being solicitous of the Saudis.
First president to break a promise, ever!
Trump’s first instinct was to tamp down any suggestion that the Saudi government needed to be held to account.
Trump spoke about Prince Bone-Saw like he would pay the families extremely well as that’s the answer for the families. He’s a disgrace
I guess cold-blooded murder is too trivial for Trump to consider asking Barr and Giuliani to “investigate the corruption.”
“ Over 60% of IED’s used to kill Americans in Iraq were smuggled/created from Iraq’s southern border”
Complete and utter BS. The vast majority of IED’s used against us in Iraq were made of Iraqi munitions. The more sophisticated EFP’s came directly from Iran.
In 16 months in country, I never once heard of munitions from Saudi Arabia.
Oh, so NOW you want a Muslim ban.
And yet no complaints about the Iranians killing a thousand people for daring to protest high gas prices, or for seeking to build nuclear weapons, and missiles that can reach the heart of Europe.
They are all savages, Emery, let’s stop importing them. I think the US can do quite well without them.
The shooter at Pearl was standing guard duty over a submarine that was being serviced. That’s why he was armed, the navy gave him the weapons he used. So in that case, no amount of gun control would have stopped the shooting.
The FL shooter seems to have been a recently radicalized Muslim. He was not an immigrant, he was here as part of a long-time training agreement we have with the Saudis to train their military pilots.
It took some digging, but I discovered that the Penscola NAS shooter obtained his weapon legally, even though he was not a legal US resident, because he had a hunting license. That seems like a loophole that should be closed.
I feel sorry for the millions of Iranians that do not feel represented by this medieval fascist theocracy.
That said — I would think Saudi’s learning to fly airplanes at US Naval bases would be a larger concern.
How ignorant are you, Emery? The Saudis fly American military jets, they are trained to fly them by Americans at American air bases. This has been going on since the cold war.
Jesus.
LMAO! Look at Enema go…challenging the idea he’d ever steal intellectual property and getting all weepy eyed over muzzies killing US sailors.
How about the 10% of Somali-Minnesotans getting three hots and a cot in prison, Enema? Armed robbery; immigration fraud; prostitution; welfare fraud; assault; drug sales…they learned the ropes from their reprobate pals real good. Should we employ a permanent ban on any more skinny’s getting in?
“Armed robbery; immigration fraud; prostitution; welfare fraud; assault; drug sales”
And that’s just the congressman!
You would think that Trump would have known enough to conduct a total and complete shutdown on making obsequious statements about the Saudis until our country’s representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.
Didn’t they already fly a few planes into some buildings?
Emery;
5:00 a.m. is pretty early to start drinking, isn’t it?
I’ll direct you all to the remarks of Dave Thul, above, re the claim that IEDs in Iraq were of Saudi origin.
Might wanna check over those sources, Em.
Emery, what’s wrong with you?
You criticize Trump for failing to prohibit members of a particular religion who hail from a specific country from entering the United States.
He tried that, remember? The temporary moratorium on immigrants from countries which were unable to properly vet their own people and which coincidentally happened to be predominantly Muslim, until we could figure out what the hell was going on. The one Leftists like you called a Muslim ban. Which the Left insisted was hateful bigoted and racist, and therefore shut down. And you cheered it. You were all for striking down any hindrance to potential terrorists entering the country.
Yet here you are, flip flopping to the other side, criticizing Trump for failing to do what your side prohibited him from doing.
If I were President Trump, I’d be sorely tempted to Tweet “Muslim terrorist ban struck down by Obama judge, Muslim terrorists kill civilians in Florida, video massacre. Hecka of a job, Democrats.”
If I were you, I’d keep my mouth shut about my past blunders.
But then, I wouldn’t have made those blunders in the first place.
JD for the win!
Yet here you are, flip flopping to the other side, criticizing Trump for failing to do what your side prohibited him from doing.
Well, as I wrote above, whatever is perceived to be anti-Trump is the position of the day, hour, moment. Regardless of whether it is a complete reversal of the day, hour, minute before.
JD with a epic bitch slap of D_K. I is impressed.
It’s hard to fault “Emery” for being inconsistent when more than one person is commenting using the “Emery” handle.
Undocumented Emerys?