41 thoughts on ““So Why Are Dems And The Media (PTR) Jabbering So Much About Impeachment?”

  1. Trump must be in cahoots with the democrats — because absolutely no one has done more than he has to get himself impeached.

  2. Good grief, Emery. How do you even function?!

    There is NOTHING to impeach Trump on and the DemocRAT coup is realizing that, when seemingly overnight, a new liar, coached by the weasel Schiff, shows up with “new evcidence”. Pay attention, dip stick! The Mueller farce didn’t work, so the morons have to keep their useful idiots like you, ginned up. Want a cracker, parrot?

  3. A co-worker is incensed that Senate Republicans don’t intend to vote to remove Trump from office. It’s intolerable that they plan to stick by their man, a travesty, an outrage.

    Every single Democrat senator voted to acquit Bill Clinton. Every single one.

    Mote, meet beam.

  4. In a sense this is all political theater. Trump will be impeached by the House on a party line vote and he will be acquitted by the Senate on a party line vote, so the ultimate jury will be the voters in 2020.

    But without this process, those voter/jurors would have been deprived of all the information we now know because of this process.

  5. I would like to see specific “high crimes and misdemeanors” that Trump has committed. Can I get list, short, long, whatever of these impeachable offenses?

  6. Legal: “do this thing that benefits US national interests, so that we can release this aid”

    Illegal: “do this thing that directly benefits the president politically and nobody else, so that we can release this aid”

  7. “Trump will be impeached by the House on a party line vote and he will be acquitted by the Senate on a party line vote”
    Emery, empirical evidence shows that your powers of prediction are crap.

  8. Emery on November 7, 2019 at 10:12 am said:

    Legal: “do this thing that benefits US national interests, so that we can release this aid”

    Illegal: “do this thing that directly benefits the president politically and nobody else, so that we can release this aid”

    Reality: “Doing this thing is both in the national interest and it benefits me politically.”
    There is a reason the Dems are not identifying a law broken by Trump. Schiff is reduced to saying that Trump’s exercise of legally recognized executive privilege is “obstruction of justice.” So far it has been a circus, with Schiff and Pelosi competing for the post of clown-in-chief.

  9. The President pressured a foreign country to smear his political opponents. Please read his words:

    “The US has been very good to Ukraine. I wouldn’t say it’s reciprocal.”

    “I would like you to do us a favor though.”

    “There’s been a lot of talk about Biden’s son.”

    At this point the whistleblower could be Hunter Biden himself and it wouldn’t change one syllable of the “transcript” nor would it change one syllable of sworn testimony establishing the president’s demand that an ally investigate a conspiracy theory and a political opponent.

    I understand why Woolly and the MAGAverse is obsessively tweeting and commenting about the whistleblower. They believe he/she is a blatant partisan, and they want to make the scandal entirely about him/her and not about the overwhelming evidence of Trump’s abuse of power.

    Apparently, even AG William Barr doesn’t want any part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney were cooking up, either.

  10. JDM, how dare you question the light bringers intention. Clearly you need some re-education.

  11. No, no, PoD, I’m only trying to understand. And I’m still waiting on that list. There’s got to be more than one item. That doesn’t seem to be much of an item. But it’s – again – probably my inability to grasp the subtleties of leftist reasoning. Such as it is.

  12. Regarding Ciaramella, it strikes me that by sharing pretty much classified data without permission with Adam Schiff, we have a whistleblower alleging non-criminal behavior by the President who is engaging in criminal behavior himself. Yes, I see precisely why Adam Schiff wants his name withheld, because that in turn implicates Schiff.

    Used to be–I worked a few defense jobs myself (never held a clearance)–that people who had the privilege of handling sensitive information took its privacy seriously. Apparently that does not apply at the CIA anymore, at least on the port side.

  13. No one seems to be reporting on the fact that Ciaramella wanted to leak classified info while keeping his cushy government job. He was concerned about Trump’s behavior only so far that reporting it wouldn’t hurt his career.

  14. Something the Trump haters haven’t thought about — since the senate will not vote to convict, and McConnell will control the process & call the witnesses whose testimony will justify senate acquital, and the senate trial will cripple the campaigns of the Dem presidential candidates who are sitting senators for as long as McConnell wants to keep the circus going — maybe Pelosi will not hold an impeachment vote at all.
    Schiff has tricked the anti-Trump MSM into believing that something impeachable has happened. Pelosi knows the truth.
    OTH, Pelosi’s mental condition seems to have deteriorated over the last decade.

  15. Woolly, you sound like a charter member of the Pizza-gate-Republicans attempting to justify the Ukraine-Crackpot-Dome scandal.

    If Republicans were actually unearthing any information favorable to Trump they’d be leaking it.

  16. The Democrats theory is that Trump violated the Emoluments Clause when he asked the Ukrainians to investigate Joe Biden’s son for corruption.

    The Emoluments Clause actually prohibits government officials from accepting titles of nobility from foreign governments. If Trump had been made Duke of Ukraine, that would violate the clause.

    It also prohibits accepting gifts from foreign princes. If Trump had accepted cash, that would violate the clause.

    But it’s not clear that asking a foreign government to investigate corruption is in the same category. Sure, if Biden’s son is convicted of bribery, that looks bad for Biden Senior, which weakens his candidacy, which increases Trump’s odds of re-election. Not really the same as cash under the table, or a noble title.

    And there is serious doubt whether the clause applies to elected officials versus bureaucrats. What if the FBI had asked the Ukrainian FBI to investigate – which incidentally benefits Trump but doesn’t come directly from him. Does that make it all better?

    The Emoluments Clause has never been litigated to the Supreme Court, which is certain to look at the historical roots and reasons for the clause, not the popular mood of the losers trying to overturn the election. All four Liberals will vote in lock-step, of course, and Roberts might be pissy enough to back-stab Trump, but it’ll take forever to litigate and by that time, they’ll be looking at overturning TWO elections. You want to see blood in the streets, contemplate that for a while.

    The entire impeachment ordeal is an extended campaign commercial for the Democrats and everybody knows it. The prolific media coverage is a massive in-kind campaign contribution . Trump should file a campaign finance complaint.

  17. So, still no list.

    On the other hand, JD came through with a nice explanation and discussion of the Emoluments Clause. And he used the word “pissy” and applied to SCCJ Roberts. I’d say I came out ahead. Thanks.

  18. Not sure what “pizza gate” refers to. Maybe Trump is accused of doing the ol’ dine-n-dash?
    But since it is Emery, I imagine it must be some crazy insult the Lefties use to smear critics of Schiff & his “impeachment process.” Y’know, something like “these wingnuts who talk about “the deep state” are just pizza gaters!”
    I’ve visited the comment sections at left-wing web sites (like WaPo) that I know most of the lingo used by the conspiracy theorists on the Left, but “pizza gate” is a new one to me.
    I don’t think that anyone on that side knows what the word “debunked” actually means. They seem to think it means “proven wrong,” as in “Clinton never had sex with Monica Lewinski. That’s been debunked!”
    I finally looked up “pizza gate” on the interwebs. Very disturbing. Did you know that “comet pizza” is owned by James Alefantis? As in once-was-David-Brock’s-Gay-Lover Alefantis?
    After the attack, Alefantis shuttered his instagram account. Here is what is supposed to be an archive of it:
    https://archive.md/CiDXD#selection-66.0-452.1
    It’s a little weird, if true.

  19. Nixon’s conspiracy theories sent him down a rabbit hole that destroyed his presidency.

    We’ll see what happens to Trump and his Ukraine-Crackpot-Dome conspiracy theories.

  20. What the deep state has tried to do to Trump is 1000X worse than Watergate D_K. The only reason it hasnt come out yet is because the MSM is so in the bag for the Left and the proper documents havent been de-classified yet. If I had to guess things wll start coming out around the time of the Iowa caucuses, for maximum damage. Classic machivellian move, Trump is basically a less articulate, less murderous, right-wing version of Frank Underwood. And the DC creates are in a near full panic now.

  21. ^^ Ah… the old ‘mistakes were made, crimes were committed… but there are no actual criminals.

    1, 2. Withholding the Ukrainian funds is a violation of the 1974 impoundment act. If congress allocates money, the President can not unilaterally refuse to spend it. Ironically, Mulvaney explained this in detail. And if he does not spend allocated money, the President is required to report it to congress, and explain it. Withholding funds, not reporting to congress, that is two crimes.

    3, 4. Asking for foreign assistance in a US election is a Federal Election Law crime. Also, the Hatch act, prohibits using official government position to campaign. The Hatch Act bars a federal employee from “the use of his official authority or influence for the purpose of interfering with or affecting the result of an election.” That is two more crimes. Mulvaney confessed to these ones.

    5. Targeting a private US citizen for an investigation with no real predicate violates due process. Arguably Trump directed Barr to initiate a criminal prosecution against Biden, without the slightest probable cause. Solely because Biden is a political opponent. That is another one.

    Now… that is plenty of crime. But to tie them all together:

    6. Bribery/Extortion is a crime. Specifically for a public official it is a Hobbs act violation to make a public action contingent on some sort of private favor. Ask Rod Blagojevich about that.

  22. “1, 2. Withholding the Ukrainian funds is a violation of the 1974 impoundment act. If congress allocates money, the President can not unilaterally refuse to spend it. Ironically, Mulvaney explained this in detail. And if he does not spend allocated money, the President is required to report it to congress, and explain it. Withholding funds, not reporting to congress, that is two crimes.”

    But the money was released, Emery. You are getting bad info, presidents, D and R, routinely put conditions on foreign aid money that congress did not.
    You should take poli-sci 101 course.

  23. After weeks of Republicans demanding that Schiff open up the doors and allow the public to see the impeachment proceedings, Trump says this morning: “They shouldn’t be having public hearings.”

    “I won’t talk to Mueller, only written answers.” ~ Donald Trump

    “Whistleblower should speak in public, no written answers.” ~ Also Donald Trump

    The Republican defense strategy for all Trump’s corruption can be summed up as “maybe this time they won’t call our bluff.”

  24. Woolly commented: “But the money was released, Emery. You are getting bad info]…

    So let me get this straight. You’re saying that De­moc­rats want to im­peach Trump for ask­ing a for­eign gov­ernment to in­ves­ti­gate his po­lit­i­cal ri­val for cor­ruption, though the probe never hap­pened, and for with­hold­ing aid to Ukraine that in the end wasn’t with­held.

    Richard Reid is serving life in prison for a shoe that never exploded.

    Blagojevich is doing time just for talking about what he could do with Obama’s Senate seat.

    Republicans running on releasing all prisoners who were caught attempting their crimes was not something I saw coming.

  25. You are in dreamland, Emery. Public hearings, with the GOP able to examine witnesses, will collapse this house of cards.
    How many of the people who heard the phone call did Ciaramella talk to before he found one that thought it was improper? What are their names?

  26. If Democrats thought they had a winning case, they’d make it through formal impeachment proceedings.

    They know their case is phony, which is why the proceedings are phony.

    And the media laps it up, because phony proceedings can be used to produce fake news to promote Democrat candidates.

  27. Now that I’ve thought about it some more, I think that Pelosi’s best game is to have an impeachment vote, but make sure it fails. That way it never reaches McConnell’s senate, but her congressmen who are facing challenges from the left (like Nadler) can claim to have voted to impeach Trump.

  28. D_K’s lack of awareness is quite impressive, I’d say its sad if I wasnt laughing so hard.

  29. I remember the televised Nixon impeachment hearings.

    When the country went from 35% for impeachment — to 60% for impeachment.

  30. Those who want to predict the future should turn to analyze Trump’s behavior immediately before his bankruptcies.

  31. Actually, empirical evidence is the way go.
    Empirical evidence is sometimes wrong — the turkey believes the empirical evidence that shows every day he will be fed and pampered, then it is Thanksgiving day and it turns out that the conclusions he drew from empirical evidence was wrong. But what else can you go by?
    The worst thing you can do is believe that your wishes control the future. This is what keeps Vegas in business.
    Progressives believe that they understand how the future will unfold (so did the commies). There is no reason to believe that progressives understand the future better than our well-fed turkey, or the guy who believes that since he has put hundreds of dollars into a slot machine, it is bound to pay off big time the next time he pulls the lever.

  32. Very few people are saying it’s okay to go out there and ask a foreign country for help against your domestic political rivals. That’s not an argument that Republicans want to make, so the president’s kind of alone in that.

    Maybe if you click your heels together 3 times and yell Benghazi it will all go away.

  33. “Very few people are saying it’s okay to go out there and ask a foreign country for help against your domestic political rivals. ”
    That, of course, is exactly what Hillary Clinton did. She then passed it off to the FBI & JD, and they began spying on the Trump campaign.
    This is why no one takes you seriously, Emery.

  34. This is exactly why Democrats drafted the Resolution the way they did. They knew the Republicans would try to turn this into a circus. (Bidens, WB, Hillary’s emails, etc.), things completely irrelevant to this impeachment proceeding, because they have no defense. They have nothing. If they had even one witness or piece of exculpatory evidence, we would have heard about.

    And Barr’s already had plenty of time globe trotting to find anything and hasn’t. Not to mention Rudy and his un-believable former-Ukraine-prosecutor who, of course, was kicked out for his own negligence and corruption. Democrats will have had time to anticipate all the lies that Republicans will try to feed their base, and will keep the fact-checking as part of the hearings.

  35. “This is exactly why Democrats drafted the Resolution the way they did.”
    To exclude their complicity in the Mueller investigation fraud?

  36. Emery, exactly how is the situation with Hunter Biden immaterial to an investigation into whether Donald Trump asked that Hunter Biden’s sweetheart deals in China and Ukraine get investigated? The way I’m seeing it is simple; one of the biggest obstacles to Ukraine becoming a viable state is corruption, and if the son of a former vice president (and his dad) are seen as “not beyond investigation”, that tells everybody that Ukrainian justice is finally getting ready to put on its big boy pants and get to work.

    And suddenly, you’ve got a country where people understand there’s a chance the judge won’t be corrupt, and suddenly, people who see that are going to be a lot more willing to fight for that country.

    Quid pro quo to benefit Trump, or lynchpin towards getting real standards of justice and making Ukraine a viable nation far more than even a million Javelin systems? I’m leaning towards the latter. Joe Biden’s status as a Presidential candidate should not insulate him, or his son, from investigation for obviously corrupt deals. Let’s start investigating the real crime here.

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