How do you lecture the rest of the country about “racism” when one of the people in charge of your foreign policy is a corrosive racist who exudes antisemitism more often than Gerald Ford stumbled?
When you’re today’s Democrats, that’s a bit of a problem. House Dems put together a resolution saying “No Anti-Semites Here, Nossirreebob”:
The resolution, which began circulating to members Monday night, comes after a backlash from top Democrats who accused [Minneapolis representative Ilhan] Omar of anti-Semitism for referring to pro-Israel advocates’ “allegiance to a foreign country.”
Omar, not being the brightest crayon in the package, is doubling down:
[Congresswoman Nita] Lowey condemned Omar’s use of “offensive, painful stereotypes,” leading to a fight on Twitter as Omar dug in on her comments and was cheered by some on the left.
“Our democracy is built on debate, Congresswoman!” Omar wrote, later adding, “I have not mischaracterized our relationship with Israel, I have questioned it and that has been clear from my end.”
She’s “just asking questions” about all them Jiiiews.
Where have we heard that?
Good job, Minneapolis. We’re proud of you.
The election of our representative from the 5th District of Minnesota, the Honorable Ms. Omar (or whatever her name is…marrying your brother makes proper surnames tricky) has occasioned all matter of fun at the expense of Minneapolitans. It’s all over the internet.
“Good job, Minneapolis. We’re proud of you.”
St. Paul types should not throw the first stone. The insult is a little like writing “What were the people of Cuba thinking when they re-elected Fidel Castro with an overwhelming majority of 98.8%?”
Ms. Omar became the latest of what is going to be a dreary, long slog. She’s a “first,” as in, “first Muslim…first woman Muslim…first Somali woman Muslim…”
The good folks of Minneapolis and surrounding territories lost their sovereignty long ago to a small group of oligarchs stuffing the ballot boxes of Hennepin County. Why blame the victims?
Why does the US support Israel? Because they’re a democracy. Then why does the US support Saudi Arabia? Because they sell us oil for cheap. So what’s the guiding principle of our involvement in the Middle East? Got me.
I have no problem with people asking if our foreign policy is misguided. I do have a problem with the Left’s tactic of silencing questioners by labeling them as haters: misogynist, homophobe, anti-Semitic, climate denier.
Rep. Omar might hate Jews for being Jews – wouldn’t be the first Muslim to do so, or even the first Democrat – but the more her party tries to squelch her, the more it looks like she might be onto something. The cure for suspicion is sunshine, not silence.
JD another 2-3 instances of this and Id say they (the Democrats) will seriously consider expelling her from Congress, something done literally a handful of times since the Civil War. No more than 5 I believe.
I’ve asked several of my friends in CD5 what they think of this whole Omar business. Their response is telling.
first, they’ve only just read about it in the Star Tribune in the last 3 or 4 weeks ( a footnote here – they consider the Star Tribune a conservative right wing publication)
second, its clearly a white supremacist smear job being orchestrated by interests in New York (PJ Media) with assistance from like minded locals (Powerline)
third, they’re disappointed that Pelosi is kowtowing to those interests
fourth, they fully support Omar as the most diverse and inclusive office holder in that district to date
and after this is all exposed for the organized character assassination it is they expect her to have a long influential career in Congress.
Short of videos on WCCO of Omar throwing Jewish babies in the air and catching them with a sharp stick they refuse to believe any allegations against her.
MacAW, your apparent ability to converse with the demonstrably insane is a gift. Or a curse. Or something supernatural.
Omar was not criticizing the Jewish people. She was criticizing a lobbying organization that lobbies on behalf of the Likud government of Israel. It could have been any lobbying organization for any industry.
Now where in my description did it say anything about the Jewish religion or Jewish people?
No where.
jdm
Years of dealing with Technical/Customer Service people allowed me to hone my gift. In the beginning it was NCR, then Honeywell, then Control Data, then for a long time IBM, then Novell, then SCO, then Sun, and finally Oracle. I made the mistake of listing on my resume that I had been successful at dealing with vendor tech services – turns out there’s a market for that sort of thing. Trick is always stay calm, betray no frustration, take copious note on a legal pad, and work the service tech with a structured 20 questions approach and never, ever go down the rabbithole.
^Emery you’re being obtuse. If you read some of the liberal punditry out there that was an instinct to be charitable to her, including Jewish liberal punditry… Chait, Josh Marshall, Yglessias…. there is basic unanimity the she uses charged code language. Its not necessary that she say ‘jew’.
now Emery wants us to believe that he is victim of vicious mischaracterization, poor thing!
Methinks ye doth protest too much Emery.
https://spectator.org/the-anti-semitism-of-aoc-omar-and-tlaib/
The latest protests have come from Democrats who object to bigoted public remarks made last week at a “progressive” town hall. On Friday the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.), called Rep. Omar to task after she made the following comment at the meeting: “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” This is the second time Omar has been rebuked for anti-Semitism in less than a month, as Engel notes in his statement:
Not exactly flame throwing righties accusing her Emery. Your defense of her is weak at best. And at worst its probably showing your own anti-Semitism.
now Emery wants us to believe that he is victim of vicious mischaracterization, poor thing!
Bergs 7th right there Mac.
Then again, your icon is of someone who loved Hitler so I guess we should be that surprised.
“US support for Israel damages US interests and increases Palestinian suffering.”
Is how to put it, putting it the way Omar does, is allegedly anti-semitic.
Omar’s latest alleged words:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/03/when_will_congress_censure_rep_ilhan_omar_for_her_blatant_antisemitism.html
“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country.”
Accusing Jews of “allegiance to a foreign country” is a historically classic way of delegitimizing their participation in the political system. Whether or not the foreign policy agenda endorsed by American supporters of Israel is wise or humane, it is a legitimate expression of their political rights as American citizens.
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Good shows by Mitch, I enjoy listening to Zuhdi Jasser, Mitch has stood up against what seems to be prejudice against all Muslims and there is quite a bit of that. There is a hysteria, I understand where it comes from but we need to be fair in all of this.
POD
Emery’s still bitter because the first time he went to NYC he bought a Rolexx from a guy on the subway for $25, after a week it turned his wrist green and stopped working, THEN someone told him it was a fake – he thinks the guy who sold it to him might have been Jewish.
You’re more apt to find an “authentic” Rolex on Canal Street. 🤔
Emery with a sense of humor?! Now Ive seen everything.
MacArthur Wheeler talks to the customers so the engineers don’t have to. He’s got people skills, dammit!
And having a Dad that was a computer programmer, and knowing engineers in college, to say that those in STEM dont have people skills is like saying Minnesota winters arent THAT bad.
POD, there are, of course, those in STEM who really don’t interact well with other people under any circumstances, but many of us can interact just fine; we can even be charming. On the other hand, it’s a lot of work to do so and a cost-benefits calculation is needed to decide just how sociable one needs to be.
Talking to the politically insane , like MacSW is able to do, is just too much work for any benefit at all.
If Democrats were serious about purging their party of the taint of anti-Semitism, they’d insist Rep. Omar resign so Governor Dayton can appoint an elderly white Jewish lady to replace her, someone with decades of experience in District 5, maybe . . . just spitballing here . . . Phyllis Khan?
Ooops, I forgot. Dayton has been replaced by Walz. It’s hard to keep the generic liberal white male DFL apparatchiks straight. Same result, though. Virtue would be signaled far and wide as a reliable Liberal vote is preserved. Which is really what this is all about, right? What’s not to love?
Talking to the politically insane , like MacSW is able to do, is just too much work for any benefit at all.
I do it out of sheer entertainment in all honesty.
I think Omar has made it quite clear she isnt going anywhere and would have to be censured and expelled. Omar doesnt care about the good of the party, she only cares about herself. Its why she made the tweets in the first place.
And reading the wiki it wouldnt be easy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expulsion_from_the_United_States_Congress
Omar was not criticizing the Jewish people. She was criticizing a lobbying organization that lobbies on behalf of the Likud government of Israel. It could have been any lobbying organization for any industry.
I recall JFK had issues winning the nomination for President from his party because of his being Catholic. People said that a President Kennedy would be getting orders from the Vatican.
Now we have “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is OK to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” If Rep. Omar’s intention was to criticize U.S. government support for the Israeli government, perhaps she needs to choose her words more carefully? She and her like-minded “sisters” in Congress, AOC and Tlaib, have this tendency to treat allegations as fact: (thank you for the link, myyellowbike).
Omar was joined by Tlaib at the town hall, whose moderator began the event by asking what “we as a community here can do to support you criticizing Israel for some of the war crimes that it has done so that it’s not seen as ‘you’re anti-Semitic’?”
Omar and Tlaib don’t simply accuse Israel of war crimes, they declared it guilty. Working from this shaky premise, they shield themselves as victims from criticism. Smarter people recognize and won’t blindly accept the premise that is the premise of their “just asking questions” spiel, but considering they’re in Congress, smarter people are in short supply in Manhattan, Detroit, and Minneapolis.
Ooops, I forgot. Dayton has been replaced by Walz. It’s hard to keep the generic liberal white male DFL apparatchiks straight.
It’s not that hard. Walz has a better suit than Dayton, and the lapels don’t have as many cracker crumbs on them.
Has Omar ever criticized the civil rights record of any nation other than Israel or the United States?
‘Cuz if she hasn’t that would be a pretty good indicator of anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism.
The people that Omar is accusing of having double loyalty are American Jews, not Israelis. That is what makes her an anti-Semite. This is so obvious even Pelosi gets it.
There is a story that might be told one day of the everyday anti-Semitism of many American Blacks, including Black leaders. I am a conservative white guy. I have heard far, far more anti-Semitic bullshit from Black liberals than I have from white conservatives.
Rep. Ilhan Omar facing new scrutiny over past effort to win leniency for 9 men accused of trying to join ISIS
So, is Mogadishu Barbie loyal to the stinking rubble heap of her birth, or to the Caliphate?
Ive made peace with the fact I think most “war refugees” in the Little Mogadishu area care more about Somalia than America. Dont believe me? Just ask them if they want to live under Sharia.
Swiftiee, that article is over a month old and on Fox. Its as good as buried.
It’s not that hard. Walz has a better suit than Dayton, and the lapels don’t have as many cracker crumbs on them.
Or drool.
To the point, it just baffles me, given the well-known and vicious history of accusing Jews of having dual loyalty, and given how the country rightly rejected similar anti-Catholic claims against JFK when he was accused of having dual loyalty to the Vatican, how politicians think they can get away with it these days. I guess they’re counting on a plurality of Emerys in the world who don’t remember their history and how the alleged “stab in the back” of “dual loyalties” gave rise to the Holocaust and other atrocities.
https://www.thisisinsider.com/absher-google-refuses-to-remove-saudi-govt-app-that-tracks-women-2019-3?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=twitter
Actually, per human rights, check this out. Google has an app for men in Saudi Arabia that allows them to track their wives, maybe even revoke(?) their passports. She is mentioned in the article as against that. Saudis are our ally so….so, so maybe she has commented on others matters.
I’m sure search engines in cases, overlap but I certainly try to stay away from google. Undoubtedly, most others have their blemishes as well.
Outrageous app by google.
This is from the Obama anti-war speech of October 2, 2002. It launched him to super stardom in the Democrat party:
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
So Omar is just following the path laid down by Obama.
If Rep. Omar were more articulate in English and more experienced in debate, she might make her point better:
The foreign policy of the United States since its earliest days has been friendship and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none.
Exceptions to this policy created long-term dependents: Puerto Rico, Guantanamo, Guam, NATO.
Old exceptions should be ended and those countries set free to survive on their own. New exceptions should be avoided to prevent future dependencies.
The United States did not cause the Nazis’ treatment of Jews and therefore has no responsibility to atone for it.
The United States did not create the state of Israel and therefore has no obligation to ensure its continuation.
The United States should not give financial or political support to any other country, unless doing so is demonstrably in the best interest of the United States.
It is not in the United States’ best interest to give political or financial support to the State of Israel. Change my mind!!
I’m not saying she’s right. I’m saying she’s right to ask the question, and the knee-jerk response to stifle her question rather than change her mind implies we can’t change her mind because her analysis is correct but embarrassing.
That just raises a whole new set of questions about who is embarrassed by the question, and why.
I’m counting on AIPAC/MogBarbie/Detroit’s Improvised Effluvium Drain to utterly destroy each other in a no-holds barred cage match.
Curious…
Does that make me a bad person?
Redecioulus!
Id pay money for that PPV, also apparently AOC is in major trouble for laundering campaign donations, could be looking at jail time. How rich.
“That just raises a whole new set of questions about who is embarrassed by the question, and why.”
If one reads the news, one knows who is embarrassed by it, plenty of Democrats and I think it came out, there are donors to the Democrat party who find it offensive. Money fuels politics.
That said.
“House Dems postpone vote rebuking Omar amid pressure from left”
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/05/ocasio-cortez-omar-israel-1203506
So, a bit of a reprieve.
She asks some decent questions, maybe like a lot of politicians, there does seem to be someone behind the curtain. What she asked Elliot Abrams seemed scripted and one analysis said it appeared similar to something al Jazeera had said. The Omar/Abrams confrontation though, allowed little to no response from Abrams, if we are going to explore an issue, then, let’s do it. Not berate someone.
If Rep. Omar were more articulate in English and more experienced in debate, she might make her point better
Everything that follows is absolutely correct and I even agree with it, but Omar’s point is really that she “hates” Jews.
Christians were better off under Saddam…. maybe the Iraq invasion was not the best thing to do, maybe the withdrawal of troops was not the best thing to do… that’s another question for debate, we are in the now, ISIS has largely been beaten down. I do think in this particular circumstance, we do need to see things out. Not to yank them out haphazardly and it sounds like now, the President is saying, our US troops will stay though, the number may be 400 versus 2000, that is in the news today.
(hypothetical from Rep. Omar)
It is not in the United States’ best interest to give political or financial support to the State of Israel. Change my mind!!
According to https://borgenproject.org/u-s-benefits-from-foreign-aid-to-somalia/, the US gave $187.77 million to Somalia in 2017. Also according to that page, “By contributing to solving Somalia’s famine crisis, the U.S. actively takes steps to ensure its own national security.” In other words “Give us money, or we’ll commit more terrorism”. AKA a shakedown. We’re no better than a small store owner in Brooklyn who gets “visited” by Guido carrying a baseball bat. “Nice country ya got here. It’d be a shame if something were to happen to it….”
Where’s RICO when you need it?
I would say there is a DEMONSTRABLY greater benefit to the US from giving aid to Israel than there is from giving aid to Somalia. I wonder if she would be intellectually honest enough to be in favor of ending aid to her native country as well.
I already know the answer, and it destroys any credibility she might have in this hypothetical exercise.
The United States did not create the state of Israel and therefore has no obligation to ensure its continuation.
While it may not be our OBLIGATION to ensure its comtinuation, given the fact that it is surrounded by several countries who host or are home to terrorist organizations which have directly or indirectly threatened our country, and/or have acted against our country, it most certainly is in our best interest to ensure its continuation.
I do think in this particular circumstance, we do need to see things out.
Because I’m tired of these open-ended wars that kill the young people from Flyover Country, I’d like to know what this means? Name some goals, the things we need to see out. Whatever you might think is measurable such that an endpoint can be reached and a “mission accomplished” can be stated.
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/somali-gangs-battle-in-minneapolis-somalis-demand-that-cops-do-something/
Thanks…
“Because I’m tired of these open-ended wars that kill the young people from Flyover Country, I’d like to know what this means? Name some goals, the things we need to see out. Whatever you might think is measurable such that an endpoint can be reached and a “mission accomplished” can be stated.”
The goal is a defeat of ISIS, long term, short term. I’ve seen your question before asked by someone else and that is how it was answered. ISIS has still carried out attacks on the West, we have had millions of refugees flood the west because of ISIS but also because of Assad.
Now, as for troops in Syria, they number 2,000, 2 had died in our time there before, when Trump announced withdrawal, we were hit by a suicide bombing in a restaurant that killed 3 American soldiers and 1 other American, an Arab-American woman from Atlanta working as a translator, her background Syria.
As for “young people dying”, Christians and Kurds have died by the thousands fighting ISIS, we advise, we give air support, they have done the fighting on the ground.
Just think, these Christians have been there for 2,000 years, close to it… but because of American intervention and the acts of numerous other actors, they face close to extermination in the Middle East? And we abandon them? Christians have always faced persecution but it definitely accelerated in 2003 with the invasion and grew very much with Obama’s withdrawal.
Turn our backs on Christians who have been there almost since Christ? My opinion is no… and we’ve seen Christian persecution, that Armenian genocide in Turkey was that as well.
Sorry, I used to feel like you, but not anymore. Those who favor perpetual war always have good reasons: it’s always something.
This: The goal is a defeat of ISIS, long term, short term is meaningless feel-good-ism. Are they going to sign something so we know they’re defeated? Is there a short-term agreement (perhaps under Taqiyya or Kitman) and/or a long-term agreement? If they do sign, will they abide by it? They haven’t in the past, why would they start now?
So, it’s a just a few Americans that need to die? That’s an argument? You gonna explain that to the families?
JDM if you want to get technical (And since its kind of in the news) the Korean War isnt over still. Isolationism doesnt work, that being said neither do endless wars and once the job is done our men and women do need to be brought home.
Turn our backs on Christians who have been there almost since Christ? My opinion is no… and we’ve seen Christian persecution, that Armenian genocide in Turkey was that as well.
Strawman MYB, we can send arms and airstrikes without boots on the ground, but saying we have a moral imperitive to go in means we get stuck there for a generation, at least.
PoD, read Joe Doake’s comment above. The one with this line: “The foreign policy of the United States since its earliest days has been friendship and commerce with all, entangling alliances with none”.
We shouldn’t be in Korea either. Nor Europe. Nor anyplace else that isn’t US territory – unless we’re there in the capacity of winning a war that has measurable goals.
we can send arms and airstrikes without boots on the ground
Agreed – assuming we have some well-defined reasons for favoring one side or the other. This presupposes that serious thought has been given to what happens if “our guys” become the enemy and vice-versa.
When did Uncle Sam turn into Helicopter Mom, endlessly saving people from themselves?