Earlier this week: Donald Trump urges Second Amendment supporters to stand up for their rights to the political process. Mainstream media and the left (pardon the redundancy) craps a kitten at the “call for violence” which was not.
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Earlier this week: Donald Trump urges Second Amendment supporters to stand up for their rights to the political process. Mainstream media and the left (pardon the redundancy) craps a kitten at the “call for violence” which was not.
Democrat strategist calls for assassination of whistleblower.
Wait – do you think there’s a conclusion to this?
Apparently Trump’s supporters don’t know that the President can’t abolish any constitutional amendments. One would think 2nd Amendment advocates who site the Constitution on a regular basis would know this.
Emery: I want them to try. It will be the Challenger disaster of all political launches; it will crap all over itself trying to gain altitude.
Donald Trump, Jason Lewis and Michelle MacDonald. It would appear the GOP base believes this to be a winning Trifecta.
Clearly, this is going to end badly
EI droned: “Clearly, this is going to end badly”
Does this mean you will leave the country if Trump wins?
Bloodlust? You mean like in Cleveland where a Trump supporter got shot for saying he’d make a fine president?
Clearly, this is going to end badly.
Like it did for the senior citizen in NJ beaten by a stranger with a crowbar for daring to wear a t-shirt supporting Trump?
Or badly like it did for Trump supporters in San Jose who were beaten by a mob? And whose beating was praised and encouraged by the Demonratic San Jose mayor?
Or for Trump himself when a Demoncrat attempted to steal a gun and shoot him?
Really Emery, you guys talk about the evil, violent right wing, then practice what you preach the opposition does. Care to show me all the reports of Clinton supporters being assaulted? Assassination attempts on Clinton?
Really Emery, after seeing your side actually attempting to do what you claim Trump was implying (which is itself a big stretch) is pretty rich.
Bertie, I would have preferred Kasich or Rubio; who in my opinion would have more crossover appeal in a general election. Darlene Miller for the same reasons. Michelle MacDonald, you can keep her and good for you and your conservative purity.
It would speak better of the 2a crowd if you just owned that Trump meant insurrection, armed overthrow or assassination, and then repudiated him.
Have you got the guts to do that? I’m thinking NO.
It is what separates genuinely principled conservatives from you lot of unprincipled ideologue extremists and crazies.
It would speak better of the 2a crowd if you just owned that Trump meant insurrection
Aaaaand the gaslighting.
Have you got the guts to do that? I’m thinking NO.
It would be a lie.
It is what separates genuinely principled conservatives from you lot
a) You understand nothing of “conservative principles”, and it seems little of anything else.
b) Your verdict about what is or is not good conservatism is worth exactly what we’re paying for it.
And…”You lot?”
Adopting a written faux British accent? How very posh.
By the way – your silence about Bob Beckel’s very unambiguous call to violence speaks volumes.
You believe “you lot” have the power of life and death?
Your silence says all.
Meanwhile over at CNN they are holding back the levees before they break. And bloodlust is something the dems clearly have, they will kill anyone who dares threaten Queen Hillarys coronation.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/8285/nine-minutes-cnn-cutting-guests-who-dare-critcize-chase-stephens
At least she’s staying on topic, sort of, Mitch?
Our “lot” also noticed that Mrs. Teasdale has had nothing to say about this pronouncement:
“As painful as it is to hear Donald Trump talk and as embarrassing as it is as an American to hear him talk, I think it’s good,” Smith said. “We get to know who people are and now we get to cleanse it out of our country.”
Any thoughts on what the Fresh Prince of Srebrenica had to say? Isn’t it time you lot owned it?
D, in the 90’s, Smith was living the life…rappin’, chasing tail and partying like a boss.
Problem is, he had to move to LA to become a star. That put him in close proximity to moonbats for prolonged periods of time. No good ever comes of that.
Now he’s dreaming of a cleansing, and his son thinks he’s a cross between the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and Bruce Jenner
Liberalism is an extremely contagious disease, and it kills.
Emery Incognito on August 11, 2016 at 12:01 pm said:
Apparently Trump’s supporters don’t know that the President can’t abolish any constitutional amendments. One would think 2nd Amendment advocates who site the Constitution on a regular basis would know this.
Remember when the SC abolished the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment with Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger?
All the feds have to do is refuse to defend the 2nd amendment from state challenges and it will be gone.
2nd amendment advocates are far more knowledgeable on this subject than anyone but 2nd amendment opponents. Just like the two guys who know how much money you have are you and the guy who is planning to rob you.
Philadelphia 2008 Barak Hussein Obama said “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”
DG
“It would speak better of the anti-2a crowd if you just owned that Obama meant insurrection, armed overthrow or assassination, and then repudiated him.
Have you got the guts to do that? I’m thinking NO.”
Why DG, won’t you repudiate the violent rhetoric of Barak Obama?
Apparently Trump’s supporters don’t know that the President can’t abolish any constitutional amendments.
They can’t but they can appoint judges who can.
“Apparently Trump’s supporters don’t know that the President can’t [legally] abolish any constitutional amendments. One would think 2nd Amendment advocates who site [cite] the Constitution on a regular basis would know this.”
Fixed it for you.
We know that, Emery. But this President seems to think he can order the Treasury to do endless examinations of banks that do business with gun sellers; order the IRS to do endless audits of gun owners; direct the State Department to interpret “manufacturer” as used in international arms treaties to apply to the local gunsmiths; instruct the Veteran’s Administration and Social Security to reclassify every disabled person as “Mentally Defective” to put them on the No Buy list; all of which have a chilling effect on citizens exercising their Constitutionally protected right to defend themselves and their families.
There’s no reason to believe Hillary will be less aggressive in circumventing the Constitution, or that Democrats or the ACLU will do anything about it.
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Joe Doakes, Obama has also used OSHA to try to make gun ranges more expensive to operate (e.g, shut down marginal ranges), and to use the EPA to try to outlaw lead ammunition.
There is one legal, commercial gun range on this island. It will shut down for good at the end of this month.
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The desire to label Trump a buffoon is so strong in some people that they will believe the sun rises in the west if Donald says it rises in the east.
But not, oddly enough, Charles Cooke of the Nevertrump National Review.
Whenever Trump says this the press works itself up into a tizzy, the typical response being that Trump is “wrong” to make this claim because a) Clinton has not explicitly called for a constitutional amendment to neutralize the Second Amendment, and/or b) she has said “no more” than that the Heller decision was wrongly decided. But both of these positions are too clever by half. As anybody with an elementary understanding of American law comprehends, one does not need to call an Article V convention in order to effectively remove a provision from the Constitution. If, for example, Donald Trump were to claim tomorrow that the First Amendment did not protect an individual right to speech, how do we imagine that the press corps would react? Do we think that the New York Times’s editorial board would nonchalantly say “well, that’s fine because he hasn’t called for Article V repeal”? Or do we imagine that it would cry — correctly — that this was pretty damn worrying given that Trump might be in a position to appoint judges? Clearly, it would be the latter — and rightly so. Who in their right mind would respond to a Court decision rewriting the First Amendment by shrugging, “well, at least it’s still written down on the parchment”?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438836/course-hillary-wants-abolish-second-amendment
The National Review is mostly imbeciles, but this analysis hits the mark.
Both Trump and Clinton are elitists in an anti-elitist year. But elitism is not all the same. The popular furor is not directed at the rich per se, but rather at the perception of cultural snobbishness and hypocrisy among those who romanticize the always-distant poor, as they favor the always-proximate rich, and caricature the despised middle class that lacks the taste of the latter and the appeal of the former.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438011/trump-clinton-endgame
There is no need to repudiate Obama; he’s done nothing wrong. And no, I’m not gaslighting anyone. What a ridiculous statement.
Clearly it is NOT liberals who have the armed killing interpretation of Trump’s statement — you know the one that makes NO MENTION of any kind of political activity. The Secret Service and FBI do so, apparently, and so does Trump’s former campaign manager.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/trump-backer-tells-c-span-second-amendment-remark-means-brace-for-armed-revolt-not-assassination/
It’s not only Angle in Nevada; here was a statement by a prominent 2A gun extremist of the type Trump referenced, end of May 2016.
Larry Pratt, the executive director emeritus of Gun Owners of America, said on his “Gun Owners News Hour” radio program this weekend that if a Democrat wins the White House and the Supreme Court starts issuing decisions in favor of gun regulations, conservatives may turn to the “bullet box” to rectify the situation.
Pratt was interviewing Robert Knight, a senior fellow at the American Civil Rights Union, who warned that “if a liberal Democrat is elected president, then there goes the Supreme Court, it could be two, three, four justices, and I think the Second Amendment would be in great peril if that happens.”
Pratt responded that if such a court interprets the Constitution in ways that conservatives don’t like, they may have to restore “proper constitutional balance” through the “bullet box”:
And at that point, we would have to come to an understanding, which we’ve been sort of taught, it’s been taught out of us, that the courts do not have the last word on what the Constitution is. They decide particular cases, they don’t make law. Their decisions, unlike the Roe v. Wade usurpation, don’t extend to the whole of society, they’re not supposed to. And we may have to reassert that proper constitutional balance, and it may not be pretty. So, I’d much rather have an election where we solve this matter at the ballot box than have to resort to the bullet box.
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Pratt is not a liberal. He’s also not trying to play coy about what he means. He is EXACTLY the subset of people Trump was addressing. However much you might be embarrassed by Trump, this is a right wing “thing”. I can give you a quite long laundry list of examples.
There is NOTHING on the left that compares to it, least of all from either Hillary or the sitting president.
Pretending this was a joke, or that such a joke should be tolerated, is dishonest. It is LIE. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
But if you would like to claim to be principled, please provide any evidence for your most recent claim about the delay in voting reporting being caused by a partisan act. DO be sure to indicate that you knew something before making an unfounded accusation. Then show any evidence after the results came in that support your accusation.
Like your incredibly stupid claim years ago that an elderly woman in a nursing home voted because someone gave her an I Voted sticker, that then went on to a crazy elaborate conspiracy theory about nurses and unions etc.
I pointed out to you at the time that this was not a possible scenario, and that it was easy to check the voting records and to file a complaint if something irregular had occurred. NOTHING HAD.
Then there was the big conspiracy theory you promoted about 100 missing ballots from Dinkytown in a prior election. That turned out not to be true either. I don’t recall you rising to the challenge EVER of producing proof of that claim either, or correcting your misinformation. Or is it more disinformation where you intentionally mislead your readers?
What I see in the subjects you write about is propaganda pushing — statements and accusations that have no foundation in fact, that are not well researched, that promote presumptions that have NEVER held up about election integrity no matter how much evidence there is to the contrary. That includes angry statements from election officials who have been active Republicans for longer than you have been a conservative defending election integrity and pushing back against your kind of crap.
It is not a news flash that if you and your irresponsible propaganda pushing colleagues push a lie long enough, regardless of your lack of proof, that you create an environment of willing belief in that lie.
I’m still waiting for you to demonstrate what evidence you have that the governor’s ex-wife has directed any appointment or profited from such an interference in appointments. THAT would differ substantially from say the actions of the astro-turfing teabagger brothers, the Kochs. Or their little puppet organization, ALEC.
Oops – one of the links didn’t properly load. The one in the comment is from CSpan and a Trump supporter. Lewandowski did a crap job of trying to defend Trump as well.
“Elites” aren’t always rich, and the rich are not always elites. Elites are people who consider themselves to have the right — even obligation — to tell non-elites how they must live in order to earn the approval of the themselves. Elites, for example, send their children to private school, yet have a keen interest in what is taught (or not taught) in the public schools. They often run public schools.
But they would be horrified if the people who send their children to public school tried to influence the curriculum of their private school.
And then there is 4 star general Michael Hayden, head of the CIA under Dubya, after 9/11 — as well as heading up the NSA at one point. Hardly a liberal, certainly not anti-gun or anti-2A.:
The former head of the CIA, retired Gen. Michael Hayden, told CNN’s Jake Tapper: “If someone else had said that said outside the hall, he’d be in the back of a police wagon now with the Secret Service questioning him.”
You can’t spin this; however hard you try. The best you get is Lewandowski trying to claim that Trump was speaking stream of consciousness, but he did not try to claim anything about Trump’s sincerity or intention.
Trump opens his mouth, puts both feet in mouth, then shoots himself in the foot.
Not a good idea to draw attention to the anti-government insurrection pro-gunners bad track record, particularly the domestic terrorist militia movements, including white supremacists — like those which Larry Pratt affiliated.
Remember when Pratt had to resign from white supremacist loving Pat Buchanan’s campaign because of his activities? Those would have been just before Hayden took over at the CIA in 1999 – 2005. So presumably Hayden is well informed on the problem with people like Pratt when he condemns the comments made by Trump as a serious threat, not a call to political activity post-election.
Imagine this speech:
“My Fellow Americans. Thank you for electing me President. As my first act in office, I’m going to keep my promise to rid this country of the scourge of GLBT persons and the public health crisis they pose to the existence of this proud nation.
I realize that the Supreme Court has held GLBT is a fundamental Constitutional right. Those rulings were wrongly decided and I don’t consider them binding. It is not immoral to disregard an immoral law, or an immoral case.
Congress has failed to enact common sense limitations on GLBT behavior. I know the President doesn’t have the power to unilaterally change the Constitution. That won’t stop me from doing what I can as Head of the Executive Branch.
I will order the IRS to audit every GLBT person’s taxes. I will order the Treasury Department to scrutinize the books of any bank doing business with any GLBT person and any GLBT-friendly entity. I will instruct HUD to evict every GLBT person from government housing. I will threaten cities with loss of federal funding if they permit GLBT parades or fail to swiftly crush GCLBT demonstrations.
Yes, we’ll probably get sued and the courts might even rule against us. But I control judicial appointments and eventually will replace those beholden to the GLBT culture with honest and clear thinking jurists who agree with me, who will overturn the wrongly decided cases of the past.
I will take every action in my power to do what I know in my heart is right. I urge you to join me. Post your school, home and workplace “GLBT Free Zone.” Refuse to associate with or do business with GLBT persons. Ostracize them, ridicule them, scorn them. Together, we can make the GLBT lifestyle so painful, so difficult, so unacceptable, that eventually, all the GLBT will be gone and our country will be safe at last.
Thank you.”
Sound horrible? Can you imagine the ACLU and the media reaction?
Now substitute “guns” for GLBT. Would the ACLU utter a peep? Would the media object or cheer the President’s bravery?
You see the problem.
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A deepening public health crisis caused by the immoral personal choices of a subset of Americans — unprotected sex with multiple partners or smoking tobacco? You make the call.
“The former head of the CIA, retired Gen. Michael Hayden, told CNN’s Jake Tapper: “If someone else had said that said outside the hall, he’d be in the back of a police wagon now with the Secret Service questioning him.”
Just curious, DG – do you think the CIA or the military enforce laws? Hayden may or may not be right – but his opinion carries no more weight than any pundit’s.
A further example of you googling for opinions that match yours, which you put out with maximum condescension but not a whole lot of understanding.
Oh. Larry Pratt say so. That settles it.
Pratt hasn’t been a significant presence on the issue in close to twenty years. He is no more important to the issue than Eric Pusey.
DG, you don’t really know the personalities in this subject. Or much else about it.
What I see in the subjects you write about is propaganda pushing — statements and accusations that have no foundation in fact
And now you’re projecting.
Predictable as ever.
DG
is wrong again: “There is no need to repudiate Obama; he’s done nothing wrong.”
When a candidate for the Presidency suggests that your first step to resolve a conflict is with a gun, a statement far more extreme than any Trump has made, there’s something frighteningly totalitarian that you must either endorse or repudiate.
DG do you endorse the use of a gun as a first measure to resolving conflicts?
MBerg: The most incendiary part of Trump’s comment was the end when he said, ..it will be horrible.” This more than anything makes clear that the clean up offered by his staff, is a poorly conceived sham. If he were just referring to the political process, why would it be …horrible? If a person yells ‘fire’ in a theater, it doesn’t matter if they were joking or serious. The dangerous effect it can have is the same.
kel: This is what you get when you have a full blown birther as the GOP nominee for President.
EI: how is this “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” not an incitement to violence of the worst kind?
or do you, like DG, believe that oligarchs like Mr Obama must not be held to the same standards of honesty and decency as everyone else?
kel: do you believe Trump was the best the GOP could offer against an extremely weak and vulnerable Democratic candidate?
EI: do you believe the the choice of the primary voters should nullified and a proper candidate selected (think Dole, McCain, Romney) by knowledgeable experts?
I don’t believe in snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory.
EI said: “do you believe Trump was the best the GOP could offer …..”
you’re living in the past and vague platitudes aren’t going to help you – Trump is the candidate, if you don’t like him vote for Hillary or one of the other 2.
The Democrat candidate was chosen by a process Emery seems to prefer — party insiders (aka superdelegates), controlled by the Clintons selected the candidate Emery calls “an extremely weak and vulnerable Democratic candidate.”
It is not a process problem.
IMHO, the GOP traditionalists would have chosen a candidate like Romney, or McCain, or Bush, or Kasich, and, as in four of the last five elections, that candidate would have lost the popular vote.
What the GOP has been doing has not been working. The selection of Trump can be laid at the feet of the GOP congress and the party establishment. They go on television and say how terrible the dream act is — and they fund it. They go on tv and say how the EPA is going to kill coal miners’ jobs — and they continue to fund the EPA. They go on tv and say that DHS is not keeping Americans safe — and they fund it.
It is not regressive to believe that there is more than path to a happy future and that we are on the wrong one.
If Donald Trump hasn’t insulted you or your intelligence yet, you haven’t been listening.
BG: Clinton received 3,775,437 more popular votes than Sanders.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html
Here’s a little turd for your punch bowl, Emery. Be sure and fill dog’s bowl with some, too.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/bidens-gunsmoke-moment/comment-page-3/?_r=0
“I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns. So don’t buy that malarkey,” Mr. Biden said. “They’re going to start peddling that to you.”
“I got two,” Mr. Biden told the crowd, referring to his arms and then to Mr. Obama. “If he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem. I like that little over and under, you know? I’m not bad with it.”
Why isn’t “Mad Dog” Biden behind bars, Emery? WTF, right?
I don’t know how this is all going to turn out, but in 10,000 years archaeologists will dig in the former “America” and conclude the people died from a self-inflicted wound, apparently prosperous, but stupified by their own electronic addictions.
Trump got more more votes in a GOP primary than anyone on record. But Trump also had more votes against him.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/republican_vote_count.html
Swiftee, you’re just like Trump! Your sarcasm doesn’t improve with length.
Emery wrote:
“BG: Clinton received 3,775,437 more popular votes than Sanders.”
55% to 43%, and Sanders is not a Democrat. You are proving my point.
“If Donald Trump hasn’t insulted you or your intelligence yet, you haven’t been listening.”
Good God, Hillary insults my intelligence as much as Trump does. You and I both know that she kept her private email server to shield her activities from FOIA requests, you and I both know that she did this because of the link between Clinton Global Initiative donations and her actions as Secretary of State, you and I both know she has gotten every opportunity she has had in her adult life, beginning with her job teaching law at the University of Arkansas, through her husband. She failed the DC bar exam. She couldn’t get a job teaching law on her own. She has exhibited competence in no field of endeavor that is not criminal or at least shady (see Whitewater scandal).
The latest email eruption revealed that Hillary’s aids at the state department had close communication with the Clinton Global initiative, thus avoiding conflict of interest because she, personally, did not have close contact with CGI. Jesus.
There is no evidence that Hillary is more competent than Trump. Do you trust Hillary with the nuclear codes? I sure as hell don’t. Do you trust Hillary not to start a stupid war? I sure as hell don’t. Do you trust Hillary not to tank the economy? I sure as hell don’t. Do you trust Hillary with your constitutional rights? I sure as hell don’t.
I will attempt to be as concise as possible. Losers hide behind walls and fear change. Winners embrace change and lead it.
“Losers hide behind walls……”
funny you should mention it here’s Hillary’s crib in Chappaqua:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/photos-hillary-clintons-protective-wall-around-chappaqua-estate/
In other words kel: it’s not all about you. Get over it. Adapt to a changing world.