Over the years, we’ve become used to the Minnesota Independent’s sloppy, agenda-driven “reporting” on issues.
Yesterday, Andy Birkey at the Mindy topped himself in a piece about a “donation” from the Tom Emmer campaign to “You Can Run International” (YCR(, an Annandale-based ministry.
YCR is a fundamentalist group that started as a metal-rap music ministry that started doing assemblies in schools, and have branched out into multimedia, including a weekly radio program, “Sons Of Liberty” on WWTC-AM, where my “Northern Alliance Radio Network” also broadcasts. Disclosure: I know Bradlee Dean via the station; we talk radio quite a bit; I disagree with him on not a few things, theologically and politically, and he and his ministry say a few things I don’t personally endorse. But we’re on the same team (and I’m waiting to see which leftyblog is the first to copy and paste “we’re on the same team” while omitting the previous couple of sentences).
Birkey:
The Minnesota House campaign of Rep. Tom Emmer donated to the ministry of You Can Run But You Cannot Hide Intl., Inc., according to the press secretary for Emmer’s gubernatorial campaign. Emmer is one of several Republican leaders involved with the ministry of Bradlee Dean, who leads a hard rock band that brings its message of Jesus Christ into public schools and recently affirmed the practice of Muslim countries executing gays and lesbians.
First, the “donation”.
According to a source very close to the Emmer campaign, “the “contribution” was nothing more than buying seats at a dinner”, a teen outreach event. It was not a direct cash donation to YCR, as Birkey’s article implies.
Tomayto Tomahto? Not really – accuracy and context count.
But Birkey goes farther into the weeds.
According to campaign finance reports, Emmer’s campaign gave You Can Run $250 in late 2008 (pdf).
In the last few months, Emmer has appeared on Bradlee Dean’s radio show — the same show on which Dean said, “Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.”
Well, no. Emmer did not appear on “the same show” where Dean gave the quote above. He appeared on a completely separate episode of the program. And they talked about politics. Not Islam and Christianity’s views on gays. Birkey’s wording is incredibly misleading; the subtext – that appearing on a radio show implies agreement rather than trying to engage an audience – is even worse.
And if Birkey wants to believe appearance equals agreement, he might want to have a word with NARN guest R.T. Rybak.
And Dean was talking about traditional biblical and quranic theology, not advocating actions by a civil government. Fundamentalist Christianity and Islam are both rather harsh on the subject of homosexuality, and Dean is nothing if not a fundamentalist. But it’s crazy to take Dean’s quote – about an outrage on the part of Muslim governments – and spin it as sympathy for lynching gays (see “UPDATE”, below).
So to summarize, Andy Birkey wants you to believe that seats “donated” at an outreach dinner in November 2008 for a group whose radio program didn’t go on the air until August 2009 implies…what? That Tom Emmer harbors some sympathy for putatively outrageous views on gays?
Seem a little stretchy to anyone?
Emmer also posed for a picture with leaders of You Can Run,
As he did with pretty much everyone who attended any Republican function in the past year or so, myself included. Heck, if Andy Birkey had shown up, he’d probably have gotten a picture with Emmer too.
Emmer, by the way, responds pretty definitively to the issue to MPR’s Tom Scheck.
UPDATE AND CORRECTION: I talked with Bradlee Dean – that’s how I roll, reporting-wise.
First the correction: Dean interviewed Emmer on their old KKMS program, before he started on WWTC. KKMS is Salem’s religious station, while WWTC covers politics.
Now, the update. I asked Dean “Do you advocate or approve of the government executing homosexuals for being homosexual?”
He laughed a long, deep bellylaugh. That’d be “no”.
“Would it be fair to say”, I continued, “that the context of the quote Andy Birkey ran was discussing biblical and quranic theology, rather than advocating or tolerating actions by a civil goverment, and that neither Bradkee Dean nor You Can Run International advocate the murder of gays?”
“Absolutely”, Dean replied.
I don’t know about you, but that was not the impression I got from Birkey’s quote.
I have become convinced that most liberals do not understand that arguments that rely on guilt by association and ad hominem attacks are invalid. They really believe that they are means of advancing the truth.
The only people that really care about this are the ones who would never vote Republican anyway.
A classic of the genre, from Mad King Charles:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36406_Hey_Who_Let_Those_Neo-Nazis_In_Here
I think asking Emmer if he thinks homosexuality is an “abomination” is fair. I’m curious if he would answer.
Chuck, are you saying people who think gays shouldn’t be executed don’t vote republican?
Well, if people paid attention to someone other than our in-the-bag media, it’d all be out there in plain sight.
Emmer was asked at the NARN broadcast at the State Fair how he felt about gay marriage. His response: “I don’t care”. It’s not what he’s going to St. Paul to do; he’s on a mission to tame the budget, not turn belief into policy.
As to your second graf: it’s the Dems that have always gone soft on the regimes that DO judicially murder gays (women, ba’hai, kulaks…)
Is it okay to think that homosexuality is vaguely icky, Disco? Is it okay to be disappointed that a son or daughter is gay?
What thought-police organization do you belong to, anyhow?
I know you fairly well, and I believe you have some fairly significant differences with the Sons of Liberty. I’ve listened to them following your show, and frankly I find them appalling, for a variety of reasons, including their position on homosexuality.
IF I address this subject – and I might – I can promise you I won’t take the comment “we’re on the same team” out of context, but I might press you a bit about the similarities and differences through direct questions – with your permission. But I won’t address those questions to you here.
discord…no, I’m saying that those that think Emmer has a connection to these folks, and therefore should not be Governor, and also that a liberal Democrat would be better, is already voting for said liberal Democrat. This isn’t exactly like Barry Obama paling around with domestic terrorists.
Obama describes himself a being a Christian. I think it’s fair to ask him if he thinks Christ is the son of God, if Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost and a virgin, if Christ rose from the dead, etc. These are questions that need to be answered, given his association and political alliances with non-believers! They are not an attempt to score cheap political points!
Off topic, but important.
Breaking news:
80-Year-Old Chicago Man Kills Armed Home Invader
“It’s a good thing they had a gun, or they might be dead,” said Curtis Thompson, who lives next door to the couple, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.”
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/26/year-old-chicago-man-kills-armed-home-invader
You don’t have to press anything. Here it is.
We’re on the AM1280 Team. As noted above, I disagree with Bradlee on a number of things theological and political, but on issues of individual liberty and civic government we have plenty in common.
And we’re on the “Jesus is my Lord and Savior” team. Different platoons – he’s a fundamentalist and an evangelical, I”m a militant Presbyterian – but it’s the same emblem on the jersey.
This is the same crowd that Pffft’d when confronted with Al Franken’s rape jokes.
This is the same crowd that considers ripping an unborn child out of it’s mothers womb limb from limb a “medical proceedure”, or worse, “a choice”.
This is the rat faced Party of Scrubs asshat dancing in the streets, looking for attention.
eff ’em.
but I might press you a bit about the similarities and differences through direct questions . . .
Dog Gone has finished crucifying me over at Apathyboy’s place — over the meaning of the word “kapow!” — and now she is looking for fresh victims. Equal parts Sanhedrin and inquisitor. I didn’t think such a thing was possible.
If you took the time to read more than two words dim-wit wrote, she’s punished you enough, Terry.
Honestly, Swiftee, I only read the word “Kapow!”. There followed some prattle about her comic book collection and assorted vulgarisms.
Yup, she’s tanked again alright. Not that she makes any sense sober.
Emmer was asked at the NARN broadcast at the State Fair how he felt about gay marriage. His response: “I don’t care”. i>
Different issue. Me, I think that mixing checks and stripes is an abomination, but I’m pretty sure it should be lawful.
As to the question the Stooj suggested, well, people can ask a candidate what they want, but I’m uncomfortable, m’self, with questions about religious beliefs/practices rather than secular policies. (I’m not particularly interested in MAK’s take on transubstantiation, Dayton’s on justification by faith alone, or Entenza’s on the hammer to be used when nailing one’s theses to the church door.)
DG is an embaressment to every other graduate of Burger U, Terry.
When she gave her valedictorian speech and babbled on about how much she liked “secret sauce” no one even considered the possibility she was talking about boozing it up in the closet with a German shepard.
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I should have taken the advice of Eliot:
Oh keep the Dog far hence, that’s friend to men,
Or with his nails he’ll dig it up again!
Not quite the resurrection I live in sure and certain hope of.
Personally, I don’t see why there is surprise at an extreme (Mitch’s favorite word) response to the extreme homosexual agenda. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America just ordained a lesbian in St. Paul, in complete contradiction of the first chapter of Romans. You know, the New Testament? Where we get the whole “Jesus thing” from?
I have left the ELCA over this, because my belief is they have embraced a heresy and are now apostate. I stop short of wanting to execute anyone over it. We call this “balance”.
Given the poll just released today showing Emmer will beat any DFL stooge, I won’t be surprised to see a story about him roasting puppies in the near future.
Personally, I don’t see why there is surprise at an extreme (Mitch’s favorite word) response to the extreme homosexual agenda. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America just ordained a lesbian in St. Paul, in complete contradiction of the first chapter of Romans. You know, the New Testament? Where we get the whole “Jesus thing” from?
I have left the ELCA over this, because my belief is they have embraced a heresy and are now apostate. I stop short of wanting to execute anyone over it. We call this “balance”.
Given the poll just released today showing Emmer will beat any DFL stooge, I won’t be surprised to see a story about him roasting puppies in the near future.
Mitch, when your party is pushing a Constitutional amendment against gay marriage, you don’t get to play coy with your opinion on it.
I’m not thought police. I haven’t suggested thinking homosexuality is icky should be against the law. The Sons of Liberty have voiced concern that homosexuality isn’t against the law.
I’d be happy if our pols didn’t continually talk about religion. But they do. So I’d like them to pin down exactly what crazy beliefs they have, so I can better judge which level of crazy I want to vote for.
Honestly, Swiftee, I only read the word “Kapow!”. There followed some prattle about her comic book collection and assorted vulgarisms.
Terry, you are so full of crap it’s smells through the computer. You said Ka-Pow had something to do with prostitution, then started playing word pedant. Don’t pretend you were some kind of innocent bystander.
The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod will welcome you, Kermit. The congregations hold the purse strings. No nonsense.
Auto-de-fes are held monthly between May and September, and every two weeks during the cold winter months, October-April.
Yeah, I’m going to check out Derek from Freedom Dog’s church. It’s Missouri. I went to check out a WELS, but got a creepy vibe. You have to ask permission to take communion. That’s a tad to Roman Catholic for me.
You’ve been crucified by me, Terry, on AB’s blog? Seriously? Do you have delusions of yourself as some kind of on-line Christ or saint or martyr?
Poor baby.
You dissemble through omission. You brought up comic books, you used the word Kapow in the urban dictionar.com meaning rather than the innocuous use. You omitted to mention that you not only included the urban dictionary link, but added the words Fist!Fist!Fis!
All I said was that I found the Urban Dictionary vulgar, and mysoginistic.
And I asked if that was the intent you wished to convey or not – and you still haven’t answered.
I also corrected your misaprehension about the use of the word vulgar, including providing you the online etymology dictionary history. How horrible of me, to quote a dictionary to you.
Go pray Terry. (I thought they just through the auto-de-fe victims into the volcano instead in Hawaii. Or is that too traditional for you?)
Dissemble through omission? That is simply impossible without projection.
Kapow!! Aieeeee!! Just when you think that she is done with you, Dog Gone finds a new piece of flesh to drive a nail into!
Okay, the Urban Dictionary’s usage said “Ka-[expletive]-Powzer! :fist fist fist:”. I thought I would spare you the expletive & I mistook the colon for an exclamation point. Is that any reason to crucify me?
Terry, I have never crucified you or anyone else, not here, not on ABs blog, and certainly not over a colon or an exclamation mark.
Kermit, of course someone can dissemble through omission. Dissemble means to deceive or mislead, as in feigning innocence. In this case witholding details that would change the perceptions or understanding of the other commenters and readers.
How well do you know your T.S. Eliot, Terry?
Do you know the line that follows your quote, ending part I. of the poem? Or the preface from Petronious Arbiter’s Satyricon? I’m hoping there was no snark intended to this blog by the poem’s title.
I went to check out a WELS, but got a creepy vibe. You have to ask permission to take communion. That’s a tad to Roman Catholic for me.
You don’t know how amusing this Wisconsin Catholic boy finds that observation, Kerm. Let’s just say that the last thing any WELS person wants is to be compared to Catholics.
No DG, one cannot dissemble through omission. Ommision can be inadvertant. Intent is the crux. One can deceive, however, and dissemble by deliberate omissision of facts. But to dissemble one must necessarily and intentionally present untruths to dissemble. that requires forethought.
Dissembling requires an active intent to mislead, and that is by nature a plan of deception. Our current President is a prime example of this. Honestly, I do no believe you intend what you do, in fact do. Seriously, I understand you, DG. I just really, fundamentally disagree with you. And I don’t think you understand.
Oh, and I don’t know shit about T.S. Eliot. I leave that to English majors.
“You, hypocrite reader, my twin, my brother!”
I wrote a paper on part I. That was about fifteen years ago.
Lately I have had an idea that The Waste Land was meant to be a modern retelling of Ecclesiastes — by Pound, not Eliot. It was Pound who got poetry by summoning spirits from an “ell-square pitikin”. Eliot, I’m afraid, was the blood and milk.
Um, homosexuality is not “gay marriage”. Conflating the two is a game for fools.
Kermit, the story behind this thread at Apathyboy’s place (http://somethinglongandimpossibletoremember.blogspot.com/2010/05/friday-format-change.html) is not a happy one.
I left some silly, two phrase comment about society being made of words & got the all too frequent “What exactly do you mean by that?” response from Dog Gone.
So I responded that it was an aphorism and she responded that comic books were full of aphorisms, so naturally I responded that “AIEEEE!” and “To the bat cave!” weren’t proper aphorisms. Dog Gone responded with “Kapow!” and a quick look at the urban dictionary showed that “ka-pow” was phrase associated with uncouth practices & then she went ballistic and crucified me.
Kermit, you make my point when you write “One…can dissemble by deliberate omission of the facts.” There was the presentation of untruths in “I only read the word Kapow….etc.”
Yes, Kermit, I do recognize that we differ, and I think I understand where and how in at least smoe of the ways. You use the example of Obama; I thought of the example of James O’Keefe, who was sentenced yesterday in New Orleans, a man who contrived situations, recorded them in a deceptive manner, and then edited them to reflect part of the truth, some untruth, and nothing which would present facts in an accurate way that showed both the good and the bad fairly, and in which he altered some of the facts completely that he presented – and then lied about the whole.
I think you make a very fair point about photographs with famous people not representing, automatically, any kind of an endorsement by the famous person. Neither does it refute an endorsement either if there are other indications of support.
Could you clarify for me if Dean made his quoted statement above, and interviewed Emmer, in the same few month period Birkey described? I want to be clear – Dean has TWO completely separate programs, on two different Salem stations, correct? But Dean DOES discuss religion and politics on the WWTC station program immediately following yours, the one on which he interviewed Emmer, including discussing religion and homosexuality, correct?
I think it is fair to assert that buying tickets at an event hosted by a group is also supporting that group in their activities; I don’t have the expertise to appreciate all of the nuances between donation and just buying a ticket. Sometimes buying a ticket is considered a kind of donation of the ticket price.
As to the root claim of this controversy, Dean’s claim that muslims are calling for the execution of gays in the US, I can’t find any such claims. I can find claims by Muslims that sharia law mandates the execution of gays in islamic countries under sharia law, but I haven’t found any calls for that law HERE.
And while Dean seems to be backpedalling from his approval of sharia law, identifying it with biblical law, you left out an important part of what Dean said that illuminates your question to him and Dean’s answer. The part I found more indicative of supporting execution of gays is when Dean makes the statement that if America won’t enforce the laws in the Bible, which he identifies as the same law in Islam in this regard, then “God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that.” Dean is claiming there will be divine retribution, from apparently Islam, if we do not execute gays according to the Biblical and Koranic law.
That sure seems to me to be advocating the execution of gays, in the most dire and dramatic terms possible.
Now perhaps when Dean is claiming he doesn’t want the U.S. government carrying out the executions, he is advocating for extra-judicial executions instead. Perhaps, as that is the way you ‘roll’ you could ask him the next time you see Dean at the radio station.
I have more problems though with Dean’s unfounded assertion that homosexuals as sexual predators, or that they molest an average 117 victims before being ‘found out’. There are a lot of claims about molestation and homosexual pedophilia from the religious right, but none of them appears to be factual. It is a myth used to justify everything from denying people full and equal civil rights, to justifying criminalization, and at the most extreme, execution. So may you could ask Dean, for me, where he gets that very specific figure of 117 molestation victims. He might want to do a little fact checking before he continues that claim.
Dog Gone said:
“I don’t have the expertise to appreciate all of the nuances between donation and just buying a ticket”
And you should just leave it at that. Say something like “Guilt by association is cool with me” if that’s how you roll.
Kermit, I left the ELCA because they partnered with MoveOn/org in 2004, and they support Arab terrorists in the mideast. Isn’t John Marty in the ELCA? Has he addressed these issues?
Dog Gone, Google “ELton John + Eygpt”
As to the root claim of this controversy, Dean’s claim that muslims are calling for the execution of gays in the US, I can’t find any such claims.
They call for sharia law in the US. Sharia calls for killing gays.
And while Dean seems to be backpedalling from his approval of sharia law
Er, huh?
I’m sorry, DG, but that was a Penigma-like lapse in reading comprehension. Dean detests sharia.
Dean is claiming there will be divine retribution, from apparently Islam, if we do not execute gays according to the Biblical and Koranic law.
That’s a rather fanciful interpretation.
That sure seems to me to be advocating the execution of gays, in the most dire and dramatic terms possible.
The only thing dire and dramatic is the logical failure in your reasoning that led you to that conclusion.
You did catch the update on my post, right? Where I talked with Dean? And he specifically denied that he favored any such thing?
Now perhaps when Dean is claiming he doesn’t want the U.S. government carrying out the executions, he is advocating for extra-judicial executions instead.
That is a stunning, utterly unsupportable logical leap.
Perhaps, as that is the way you ‘roll’ you could ask him the next time you see Dean at the radio station.
Sorry, DG. I did my homework, and I’m satisfied with the results as I’ve related in my post. Dean believes that homosexuality is an abomination, as the book of Leviticus says. He does not call for murdering gays, and in fact brought up the topic to show the the liberal softpedaling on Iran and Sharia is hypocritical.
I have more problems though with Dean’s unfounded assertion that homosexuals as sexual predators,
Yeah, I’ll disagree with him there.
So may you could ask Dean, for me…
No, sorry. That can be your homework.
I have more problems though with Dean’s unfounded assertion that homosexuals as [sic] sexual predators…There are a lot of claims about molestation and homosexual pedophilia from the religious right, but none of them appears to be factual.
What, are you defending lawsuits for the Catholic Church during your moments of sobriety now DG?
It’s called pederasty, BTW.
Once again, as I’ve been forced to admonish you so many times, it miiiight be nice to know a little something about a subject before you put your pie hole into gear, dear.
Mitch, please show me examples of muslims calling for sharia law in the US.
I couldn’t find any. But I’d be happy to see them if you have them.
Here is a more complete quote from Dean, Mitch – perhaps you were unaware of it?
“Muslims are calling for the executions of homosexuals in America. This just shows you they themselves are upholding the laws that are even in the Bible of the Judeo-Christian God, but they seem to be more moral than even the American Christians do, because these people are livid about enforcing their laws. They know homosexuality is an abomination.
(my emphasis – this would appear to be a clear statement that Bradlee Dean believes the Bible calls for the execution of gays, not just the Koran)
If America won’t enforce the laws, God will raise up a foreign enemy to do just that.
(my emphasis again – this is Dean’s own statement – not my flawed thinking – that Dean is claiming that if we don’t enforce the Biblical laws of executing gays, then we will face divine retribution for that failure in the form of a foreign enemy. The context suggests he means muslim enemies.)
“The bottom line is this … they [homosexuals] play the victim when they are, in fact, the predator. On average, they molest 117 people before they’re found out. How many kids have been destroyed, how many adults have been destroyed because of crimes against nature?”
Now as to homosexuals being sexual predators, there is a slightly smaller but roughly equal documented percentage of homosexuals who are who are pedophiles or other kinds of sexual predators, than there are heterosexual pedophiles or sexual predators relative to the heterosexual population.
Overwhelmingly, on sheer numbers there are far far more heterosexual pedophiles / predators, reflecting the greater number of heterosexuals in our population.
Further if you read anything about pedophilia and sexual predators, Swiftee, you would find the tragedies like the problems facing the Roman Catholic church are not uniquely homosexual — there are plenty of problems with heterosexual conduct, far more than homosexual problems. And let me be very adamant that it is not a problem unique to the Roman Catholic church either.
Unfortunatley, when I did look at the prevailing information before as Swiftee so inelegantly calls it “opened my pie-hole”, the information that has been promoted by some of the right wing fundamentalists is badly flawed and significantly inaccurate. Maybe you are the one who should do a bit of reading up Swiftee.
You might start by looking at the criticism of oh, Paul Cramer, or Richard Cohen –Cohen just removed the references to homosexual molestation from his book and publicly repudiated the data after the connections between his books and the execute gays legislation proposed in Uganda.
As to the naturalness of homosexuality, you might want to look at how prevalent it actually is ‘in nature’.
So Mitch while I appreciate that Bradlee Dean told you, privately, that he doesn’t support the U.S. government killing gays ……..that statement would appear to be at the very least a contradiction of his more public words.
I believe that you are reporting those words accurately. But that doesn’t change what he said, or explain the contradiction. Dean has said far more that would support the words I put in bold-type than he has said things which support his statement to you. Hence my question.
If you wish to criticize the flaws in the writing on the left, I think you have to address more than your single question, because either Dean has changed his view privately from that expressed publicly, or he has at the very least made contradictory statements.
Once again, I have to step in to straighten DG’s pathetically inept attempts to share her stupidity with us.
According to the Vatican (and they should know), roughly 60 percent of the incidents of abuse were between homopriests and teenage boys while 30 percent were between priests and teenage girls.
They got a big homo problem, dear.
Facts don’t lie: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/14/vatican.homosexuality.pedophilia/index.html.
I’d like to kindly suggest that deegee would better serve herself by sticking to the penis blog and AB’s now nearly defunct little sandbox. Dragging her inarticulate, language mangling, dim-witted nonesense before the more sophisticated readership here at SITD can only serve to further damage her already fragile self-esteem.
“As to the naturalness of homosexuality, you might want to look at how prevalent it actually is ‘in nature’.”
Yeah, sure, whatever….please keep the details of your intimacies between your pets and yourself, dear…many of us find that sort of thing disturbing.
Please moderate my comment expediently, Mitch…deegee is in desperate need of my lessons.
Once again, I have to step in to straighten DG’s pathetically inept attempts to share her stupidity with us.
According to the Vatican (and they should know), roughly 60 percent of the incidents of abuse were between homopriests and teenage boys while 30 percent were between priests and teenage girls.
They got a big homo problem, dear.
Facts don’t lie.
I’d like to kindly suggest that deegee would better serve herself by sticking to the penis blog and AB’s now nearly defunct little sandbox. Dragging her inarticulate, language mangling, dim-witted nonesense before the more sophisticated readership here at SITD can only serve to further damage her already fragile self-esteem.
“As to the naturalness of homosexuality, you might want to look at how prevalent it actually is ‘in nature’.”
Yeah, sure, whatever….please keep the details of your intimacies between your pets and yourself, dear…many of us find that sort of thing disturbing.
*selects “muslims calling for sharia law in the US” text in Dog Gone’s comment*
*right clicks selected text*
*chooses “Search Google for …” option*
*finds what Dog Gone cannot*
*”feels the burn” from that arduous process*
The problem with your figures Swiftee is, one, no, I don’t find the Vatican’s reports about sexual problems with their clergy reliable – nor should you, and two, that you address strictly the pedophilia problems – the sexual misconduct of roman catholic clergy also extends to adult heterosexual relationships. But even if for a moment the Roman Catholic figures WERE accurate – which is questionable – the statistics outside of the church do not support your statement, and there are far more homosexuals outside the church than within its authority.
The other problems have to do with definitions of sexual terminology – not all individuals who engage in same sex pedophilia are primarily same sex oriented – some are bi-sexual, and many more are far far more heterosexual in orientation with a far lesser interest or arousal for same sex activity, but who still engaged in same sex activity as a matter of availability.
And obviously you should be aware that I was referring to animal homosexuality within the same species Swiftee, not some form of human with animal bestiality. The number of species where homosexual behavior is observed in nature is expanding rapidly. There was an excellent NYTimes article recently about the surprisingly large percentage of same sex pairs of certain species of birds observed in Hawaii for example.
Troy, the overwhelming calls for sharia law I found were for countries in Europe, not the US (mostly UK). There was a single instance of someone on Glenn Beck’s radio show, calling for some aspects of sharia law, but I ddin’t hear the call for our government to follow sharia law OR for the execution of gays – more stuff about women and head coverings etc. Perhaps I missed the gay / execution part – do let me know where that is on the broadcast.
But if you found more than a single instance of any credible muslim representative or group specirically calling for the execution of gays, please post those links here.